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[KAGE360]

it all looked like poop smeared on the screen to me.

if its true that the ps3 is running BC using ps2 parts then this is sad.  

the 360 had issues at launch like any other system, but FAR less then the ps2.  the ps3 will have issues as well, with a larger instal base you have a larger number of defective products.  the 360 though, wasnt launched missing any major features.  every game worked and every feature was well thought out such as working on ANY TV, having preset controls, cutsom soundtrack, working controllers, etc.  the ps3 is unfinished, no other way around it.

[biabia8659]

so ps1 and ps2 game look horrible just like the console its self. i own a xbox 360 and a ps3 and feel like throwing up every time i look at the ps3. yes ps3 might be unfinished but its still a verry good system but will never take that special place i have for my 360.

[Pheidias]

Your gonna get ripped a new one for that post dirvance. Shame on you spewing such nonsense, there are no xbox fanboys here

[KAGE360]

QUOTE(Dirvance @ Dec 14 2006, 05:23 AM)

It also seems people keep purposely ignoring the fact that Sony didn't want to release the ps3 in 06 period. Microsoft is the one who rushed its console to make the 05 window. That doesn't make Sony late, it makes them early since THEIR plan was in 07. How long has Sony had jaggies? Its almost like a trademark for them lol. Some games it actually looks nice while in others not so nice.

so a console that has been in development for more then 3 years and always planned for an 05 launch is considered "rushed" to you?  also no one is denying that microsoft forced sony's hand into releasing the console early, that doesnt mean sony had to be a bunch of tools and act like that wasnt the case.

QUOTE(Dirvance @ Dec 14 2006, 05:23 AM)

So here is what you guys are telling me.

Microsoft Launch:
1. 1/3 of all consoles failed.
2. 80% had overheating issues.
3. No BC
4. Various HDD errors
5. Lack of Triple A games.

Sony Launch:
1. BC issues
2. HDD errors (referring to Red light bug)
3. Controller syncing problems (i guess i have heard people say this but haven't seen news post about it)

Those are all i can think of right now. I didn't include neither X360's or PS3's HD issues cause HD period is a work in progress with the industry has no standard on (Like S-Vid was).

for someone who likes to speak of fanboys, these are some pretty bold statements without any support, links, or sources.  this comparison is so biased its almost beyond laughable, so what Triple A titles did the ps3 launch have?  especially when you consider it had one of the lowest rated launches in gaming history.  you also forgot about the compatibility issue with MANY HDTVs which i consider a BIG deal.  

please give me a link where it shows 1/3 360's were faulty or 80% had heating issues, of the hundreds of people i have talked to over the year maybe a handful had a faulty system.  people like you make me sick

QUOTE(Dirvance @ Dec 14 2006, 05:23 AM)

Big difference i see is hey at least Sony's consoles worked at launch.

yeah i see that:


 

[Martinchris23]

QUOTE(chrnochime @ Dec 13 2006, 04:32 PM)

Beats having a $400 console that had a chance of working normally roughly equaling to how likely it is to NOT step on a landmine in a mine field.

And I'd rather have "half-ass" BC than no compatibility. I remember reading about ppl who whined/b!tched about Xbox360 having no BC for a lot of games. What, now that's a plus instead of a minus? I'm no fanboy(didn't buy a PS2) but I'd much rather be given the possibility to play FFX on PS3 than in 360's case, buy an XBox just so I won't have to wait until God knows when MS decides to make a game playable on the 360.

1. I've had my 360 since launch day and never had a problem with it. Your comparison is totally unjustified and without any figures, unbelievable. I know plenty of 360 owners, all of which have perfectly working units.

2. You're right - people were whining about the few titles that Xbox had on their BC list. This was purely down to two major things:

Sony stating they would have 100% compatibility.
Peoples ignorance on how much work was involved to do it PROPERLY.

Sony in their usual style wound up the hype machine and people bought it. As usual, the end product was nothing like they described.

So yes, people are now praising MS's efforts as they are showing Sony up to be a right bunch of bitches. And your comment on waiting for BC? I definitely would wait rather than getting this crappy attempt laid by Sony. I would be EMBARRASED if I had spent $600 on a next gen console and the best BC efforts were worse than a console costing 1/6 of the price (and five years older!).

Here's the difference - MS are continually releasing new titles to their BC list in glorious HD with full AA. Sony are not.

[VariableElite]

QUOTE(Dirvance @ Dec 14 2006, 04:23 AM)

I couldn't agree more. They will have to change the name of the forums to "Come rag on Sony, Xbox fanboys welcome" I am quickly discovering that if i want a intelligent conversation or discussion about anything ps3 related i am in the wrong place.

It also seems people keep purposely ignoring the fact that Sony didn't want to release the ps3 in 06 period. Microsoft is the one who rushed its console to make the 05 window. That doesn't make Sony late, it makes them early since THEIR plan was in 07. How long has Sony had jaggies? Its almost like a trademark for them lol. Some games it actually looks nice while in others not so nice.

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Big difference i see is hey at least Sony's consoles worked at launch.

1. Intelligent conversation or discussion != lying about supposed 360 hardware issues.

2. The PS2 had 2/3s of the hardware marketshare. A company that owns 2/3 of a market isn't "pushed" into anything. Oh, and what happened to the "Spring of 2006" launch date that Sony execs were spewing for a while?

Oh, and leave it to a Sony fanboy to declare jaggies a feature. What's next, 10 FPS is slideshow mode, for those that want to revel in the quality of their HD systems?

3. How can we tell? All their systems are on ebay at the moment.  

[Marrvia]

QUOTE(Dirvance @ Dec 14 2006, 02:23 AM)

It also seems people keep purposely ignoring the fact that Sony didn't want to release the ps3 in 06 period. Microsoft is the one who rushed its console to make the 05 window. That doesn't make Sony late, it makes them early since THEIR plan was in 07.

Huh?  Sony's plan was to release it in March '06, then they delayed it to November '06 only a couple months before because they couldn't manufacture the blue ray drives.  Where do you get your info?

[C o s m o]

A:  I cleaned up the bullshit flaming posts.  I realize we have a lot of XBox fanboys, but try to keep the fanboyism to a minimum

B:  I have thought a lot about this.  If I had spent $600+ for a console with some of the issues (especially the ones TS listed on page 1), I'd be pissed.  The 360's BC isn't perfect.  For example, I have MTV Xbox Music Maker, and I make little songs on it for my 4-year-old who loves it.  I tried to do it on the 360, but it was buggy as hell, so I went back to the XBox.

But Xbox games do look good.  On the PS3, that's awful for such a hardware powerhouse.  Big Ken should've kept his mouth shut.  Now $ony looks terrible in the marketplace.

[celicagt1993]

QUOTE(Ninja Sniper X @ Dec 13 2006, 03:11 PM)

I don't personally have a PS3 so I can't comment on this first hand but if this shit is really true than Sony F@ucked up BIG TIME. I love how everyone at Sony is a hypocrite. First they slam M$ for having two different units, than they did. Next they slammed M$ on an incomplete BC list... well at least the BC games don't look like ass on the 360...

at least with the 360, if you buy a core, you can buy the extra's to make it a premium.  with the ps3, if you buy the lower system, you are SOL with the WiFi connection.

reading alot of these posts, it seems alot of people (not all) are trying to get people to see their side....  here's a news flash for you.....  it won't work.  

sure, the 360 had problems.  as we see the ps3 does too.  1/3 of the 360's, i would like to actually see numbers as proof, otherwise i call FUD.  I really haven't seen ANY xbox fanboys stating such unrealistic claims on the ps3.  

somethings that i have heard, ps3 controller sync problems, jaggies, and things like that.  i have also heard ps3 fanboys saying 360's overheat (true, they are hotter, but i believe this is more user error than true issues, but not every issue is user error), and problems like manufacturing errors, example the 3 ring of light.  most of these are launch systems.  I don't think i've heard about someone's Dec 2006 console messing up as much.  maybe it was rushed, but it's fixed, and at least MS did decide to realize there are mistakes and extended warrente, and things like that.

as for the ps3, it's really to early to tell.  They might have the same problems, might not.  this becomes apparent after use.  We'll use the 360, we all know it puts out more heat...  any electronic device gets effected by heat over time.  as the system heats up, and cools down over and over the joints on the motherboard begin to fail.  This is why car's have problems over years (can't remember how many ECU's i've fixed by redooing the joints on the board).  I do feel that the ps3 lacks good games, but time will heal that.  the games do look better on the 360 than the ps3, IMHO, but time "should" heal that too, i'm hopeful.  I do also feel that the online for PS is lacking alot, but again, time will fix this.  will it be better than XB live?  I really want to say no...  this is where I might show some fanboyism.  MS does have 5 years on sony in this area.  Lets flip the coin over so that it's comparable on the sony's side.  PS has been out longer.........  They do have more games and series running for it.  same concept, different aspect of it.  

----on the hardware line of things, i do lean toward the 360, but it's only because developers have had more time to work on it.  
----on the games side of it, it leans towards the ps3 as far as the number of series it has. (this doesn't inclued game play, that is more on the item above)
----on the online service, it leans towards the xbox, hands down.

to me, they are even IMO....  But keep in mind, any wine only gets better with age, no matter what the brand is.  It just depends on if you are having white meat or red meet, is what matters on which wine to choose.

[VariableElite]

QUOTE(h4xx3d @ Dec 15 2006, 10:58 AM)

Microsoft admits high hardware failure rates of launch 360 consoles. Link. It's not BS. If you paid any attention to xbox-scene or any xbox site around the 360 launch, you'd know the failure rate was alarmingly high.

It seems people have also forgotten the disc scratching issue the 360 initially had. Link

Microsoft initially refuses to replace scratched discs. Link

Design flaws of the 360. Link

I did NOT find any articles pertaining to the number of returned 360 consoles on xbox-scene. I doubt microsoft ever divulged the numbers anyways... but yea. From my personal experience almost all of my friends who purchased consoles on launch had to send them in for repairs. My own console had to be exchanged after months of use when it randomly began to display the red lights of death when powered on.

I'm not saying the 360 is a crappy console. I love mine, GOW is amazing :-D However, I've also been very impressed with my ps3.

This post is merely to remind you of the 360 launch issues. Since being released for a year, most of the issues have been resolved and it has turned into a great console. Yes, the ps3 had a year longer to be produced, but there are fewer issues with the console. These will be resolved in the next year, just as the 360's were.

Be patient people. Quit bashing the console, especially if you do not own one yourself.

About the price argument:

[Snipped]

Define "alarmingly high." 1%? 5%? 100%?

Oh, you can't, can you?

I've said this multiple times, but there is no proof yet that the PS3 has any fewer hardware issues than the 360, simply because SO MANY OF THEM HAVE NOT EVEN BEEN OPENED YET. At the time of this post, there are approximately 25,000 for sale on ebay. Who knows how many people are still waiting to see if prices are going to rise right before Christmas, or how many are still sitting underneath some Christmas tree somewhere?

The scratched disk thing is a non-issue: it only happened to those who moved their console while it had a game inside, which the owner's manual specifially warned people against. Why don't you move your PS3 while you're playing RFoM, and tell us how that turns out?

The list of design flaws is BS, of course. Only two of them are actually hard-wired into the console (overheating CPU/GPU and no HDMI); the rest can be fixed? via dashboard updates. I guess Sony has MS beat there, because of that scalar fix they released that allowed games to be played in unlisted resolutions. Oh, wait...  

And, please, for the love of all that is good, drop the pointless price argument already. I don't need Wifi, so why should I be forced to purchase it? I think that the video quality of HD-DVD is superior to BR, so why make me purchase a BR player? If the PS3 had come with a cheap $5 plastic stand, and the only official MS plastic stand was $50, would that be another item on your list? The only reason people came up with that moronic comparison was because MS has a lower cost of entry than Sony at the moment.

P.S. I didn't see HDMI or component cables on either of those lists for the PS3. Be sure to add those next time...

[KAGE360]

just get whatever console is right for you based on your needs or wants.

some people want all of that NON-gaming features in their system.  others dont.  

i dont want WiFi (not stable enough for gaming IMHO), dont want HD-DVD/blue-ray, dont want a browser, and i dont want to install operating systems.  when i set out to purchase a game system i just care about it playing games and what it does for gaming.  <- this is why i prefer the 360.  until the ps3 can offer standard control settings, custom soundtrack, HD display on every HDTV, unified character profiles online, game downloads for every game, and more gaming related features then it will not match the 360 as a game system in my view.

i hope that you guys are getting the point that i look at these things for what they are: game systems.  everything else comes second to the core meaning of the package to me.

[VariableElite]

QUOTE(h4xx3d @ Dec 15 2006, 06:41 PM)

Sorry, I don't tally everything that happens around me   And I'd say it's pretty bad if they make a big deal about the snazziness of the lights switching position based on the console's orientation, and then doing so with a disc inside scratches it. And that will not happen with the ps3, nor will it on any new 360s. The point was, nothing's perfect at launch. Evidently there's a little too much fanboy running in your blood ;-)

Okay, component cables for the ps2/3 come to a whopping $32.99 that still doesn't shift the sea-saw.

I don't need wifi either, I have a ps3. Guess what, I bought the 20gb! Fancy that, I wasn't forced to buy wifi either. HD-DVD's are not superior to Blu-ray. Show me proof for that claim   The initial ones were, this is true. Key word, INITIAL. This is no longer the case. If you WANT to buy a full featured console, the PS3 is the better value. No one's forcing you too. So y'know what? Don't buy one. And while you're at it, leave the PS3 forums. You're presence is counter-productive. The point of these forums are to help and inform. Someone who does not own the console cannot do a whole lot of informing on issues of personal preference.

Oh, I'm not a fanboy. I simply hate what Sony has done to the video game market -- how it's been dumbed down for the mainstream public.

I don't hate all of Sony. I do like their cameras and home theatre equipment.

By the way, if owning a PS3 is a requirement to post on these forums, it's news to me. In addition, things would get pretty boring around here, as very few people seem to be able to get their hands on one.

As far as HD/BR comparisons go, there are plenty of sites out there that have done side-by-side tests, and the general consensus is that HD is the superior technology. Sorry to burst your bubble, but just because Sony backs something doesn't mean it's gonna win.

P.S. If the mods do ever institute a PS3 requirement, I'm more than happy to furnish a copy of my receipt for one.  

[Martinchris23]

I thought this thread was to discuss the poor quality of BC in the PS3.

What the hell does the pricing have to do with it?

Once again, the BR/HD-DVD argument rears its head.

There are plenty of topics already associated with these other subjects - why not post there instead next time.

[Martinchris23]

QUOTE(h4xx3d @ Dec 16 2006, 08:04 AM)

The thread definitely headed offtopic. Yea, my fault too :-P If you'd read everything though, people were bringing up the price paid for the console vs it's flaws. So it was relevant to the conversation.

Mentioning that a $600 piece of electronic equipment is full of flaws has nothing to do with price comparisons against the 360. Just because someone mentions $$$ doesn't open the way for all price-related talk!

Since you want to talk about price, how do you honestly feel after spending $500/$600 on a console only to discover the BC catalog looks worse on your new machine? I would really love to hear your take on it.

Martin

[smitty2003]

QUOTE(h4xx3d @ Dec 13 2006, 07:43 AM)

The problem with having a playstation forum added into a long time xbox forum really has been showing a lot lately. There's far too many fanboys who just want to come in and talk shit.

I own both a ps3 and a 360. I love them both. The ps3 has some minor flaws, but it's been out for less than a month. There've been far fewer problems with the console than there were with the 360 this far into the launch. The majority of the launch 360s were broken... ie didn't work AT ALL. Some people were lucky enough to be able to play for a short time before their console died, but there were very few that didn't have to be sent back to Microsoft. Sony didn't screw up nearly as bad as M$ did. Whoopidy  doo, I might have to wait awhile to play ps2 and ps1 games without jaggies. At least I can play most of them and watch blu-ray movies as well as play the ps3 launch titles.

Things aren't perfect yet, but at least they work.

i agree with alot of what he is saying, except the blue ray part. who cares about blue ray, i wanna play video games with my video game system. the PS3 isnt going to selel a million or so units and be a great console just for the blue ray. it needs games to back it up. But as for the fan boys, this whole topic is biased. you have your sony fans vs your MS fans. even those who say they own both and love both finish by saying something backing one or the other. for example my qoute above.

PS3 will work out the kinks as did the xbox 360. The onyl problem i think sony has is that they didnt say no to a few things. like mobile suit gundam: crossfire. If ne body has seen this or played it, then they would knwo that sont should have said absolutely not to this game, because it makes the system look horrible. the game cant even run smooth and its graphics arent up too par for the PS2. All systems have their flaws at launch and they all get fixed. Nintendo's Wiimote sucks as far as durability goes, but they will fix that. It's a thing that comes along with launch systems, they have bugs, and then they fix them. deal with it!!!!!