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PSone/PS2 Games Looking Worse on PS3? Posted by XanTium | 13-12-2006 1:19 EST

We received this news from Slurrey: When played on the PS3, your PS1 and PS2 games will actually look DRAMATICALLY WORSE than on their original systems. Watch the video for a comparison. It's not what type of TV you use, or what kind of cables, or what you set your PS3's resolution to. What is known: That a majority of the games affected are games that do not have 480p coded into them. It SEEMS that 480i only games are the ones exhibiting this glitch the most. Changing cables from HDMI to component to composite cables does not rectify the issue. Changing to a non-HD TV without scalers does not fix the issue either. Firmware upgrade 1.30 does not address the issue. Here is the link to a forum post describing the problem in detail, with screenshots: boardsus.playstation.com.

[bcforn64]

Fuck Sony, The PS3 is a $600 peice of hardware, and the end users are stuck with all these problems after multiple delays. It should be interesting to see if Sony could fix this as the PS3 uses hardware emulation. A firmware fix may not work if it is the PS3's video encoder that is screwing up the 480i signal coming from the emotion engine.

Microsoft is known for shitty software and in the case of the original Xbox, hardware. It is sad that right now Sony is managing to make Microsoft look like saints.

[Foe-hammer]

Nice.

[Pheidias]

Actually exist2resist going by your reply, your the idiot. How powerful the hardware has nothing to with how shitty it is, Look at the 360 its hardware is shit they break more often then paris hilton gives out blow jobs, can't speak for if someone thinks the xbox1 hardware is shit I know the dvddrive was less then stellar but my 1.6 works like a charm.

And why the hell are you grasping at straws trying to make everything into some debate over who is the biggest fanboy.  You should try to read his post once more, and stop trolling this forum spouting nonsense posts.

Your even worse then me


On the issue.

I have seen a lot of pictures of this phenomenon to me it almost looks like the ps3 is cleaning up the original to such a degree it brakes it and turns it into the mess it is. Compare it to when you crank up the clarity in your tv, it will mess up the picture and reveal all its flaws.

[twistedsymphony]

This sort of thing is unacceptable given the situation...

Sony delayed the console nearly a year, according to them: because of issues with Blu-Ray...

If that's the case then it should have given nearly every other aspect of the console an extra 8-12 months of refinement.

If you worked on the BC system and they gave you an extra YEAR to work out the bugs that product better be near flawless...

... same goes for the online service that somehow hardly any developers knew anything about
... same goes for the dashboard that can't be accessed while in a game
... same goes for the controllers that have syncing issues
... same goes for the AV encoder that can't scale and had to be updated post release to fix compatibility and other issues
... same goes for most of the first party games that are buggy and seem thrown together with the crappy reviews to show for it
... same goes for every aspect of the console...

[epsilon72]

I don't know if I'm the only one, but I get those exact same artifacts through component cable with the PS2 as well  (especially with Okami and Final Fantasy X and XII)

Atleast the color looked a little more natural with the FFX video on the PS3, but that's about it.

I haven't really played many PS2 games on the PS3, but Okami looked like it had the same problem as the ps2.

When is all of this crap going to be fixed?

Fix the controllers, and the backwards compatibility, NOW.  I'm going to start complaining to Sony.

[Martinchris23]

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Dec 13 2006, 08:43 AM)

I have seen a lot of pictures of this phenomenon to me it almost looks like the ps3 is cleaning up the original to such a degree it brakes it and turns it into the mess it is. Compare it to when you crank up the clarity in your tv, it will mess up the picture and reveal all its flaws.

What you meant to say is that you can actually appreciate how Microsoft are getting such excellent results with their BC titles. AA and HD output which in most cases looks better on the 360 than it does on the original Xbox.

It's nothing to do with cleaning it up. It's a simple math equation. Take a 720 x 480 image and stretch it over 1920 x 1080. Without any post-processing, it'll look like crap.

Or more commonly put, it'll look like Sony.

[Ninja Sniper X]

I don't personally have a PS3 so I can't comment on this first hand but if this shit is really true than Sony F@ucked up BIG TIME. I love how everyone at Sony is a hypocrite. First they slam M$ for having two different units, than they did. Next they slammed M$ on an incomplete BC list... well at least the BC games don't look like ass on the 360...

[Pheidias]

Epsilon, wow so its doing exactly what the ps2 is then. except for the fact that according to this it won't help switching down to composite on the ps3.

And yes I applaud MS for their work with their BD titles, Its just a shame that so many games isn't working it all, and its not just crappy games its games like MGS:S and up until now not even psychonauts worked and there are still some 1st party titles that don't even work. I'd rather be able to play the games then buy a game and then wait until MS add it to BC and that might not even happen.

And twisted this 1 year( is it not 7 months) to fix things your doing is not very true. They might have aimed for a spring 06 release when MS decided to launched early, but I don't think they have had any extra time working on their features, if they can't even produce console how are they supposed to work on kinks?

[Dirvance]

Yup just more signs of a rushed console. X360 has its issues and so does ps3. Given ps3 didn't want to come out at all in 06 so they were really put in a pickle so to say. Once you look at their situation it might not have been a bad idea to wait until 07 like they originally planned. Cause they are going to take a year to catch up to what they originally wanted to do anyway (same as X360).

[Pheidias]

Acctually did some more checking it is like epsilon said the ps3 isn't destroying the picture this is how the games look when trying to play them in progressive mode. Blame the developers. Or plead to Sony to try and fix others fuckups.

But this has nothing to with a fault in the ps3.

If you want the games to look like they should all you need to do is plug in the cables that comes with the ps3

Edit:
damn mixed informations is a bitch, can't bother to read the whole thread and get the lowdown

http://boardsus.play...o...ding&page=1

but the snippets I've read seems to indicate its not on every tv and not on every cable, but you should read the thread yourself to get the real info.

[Martinchris23]

QUOTE(h4xx3d @ Dec 13 2006, 03:43 PM)

Things aren't perfect yet, but at least they work.

After a 12 month delay and an extra $200 price tag, I should certainly hope so.

Do you honestly think this is acceptable for a $600 games console?? I would be real worried.

[epsilon72]

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Dec 13 2006, 07:31 AM)

Epsilon, wow so its doing exactly what the ps2 is then.

Yeah; my ps2 is a late-model ps2 slim.  I think it is a per-game thing - the games that have the problem only show this when you use component output (speaking of the ps2's artifact problem).  If I use component with my ps2 and play FFX I get the exact same artifacts, but with S-Video I don't.  I think I'll try it on the 1080i CRT we have to see if I get any different results...

[VariableElite]

QUOTE(h4xx3d @ Dec 13 2006, 09:43 AM)

The problem with having a playstation forum added into a long time xbox forum really has been showing a lot lately. There's far too many fanboys who just want to come in and talk shit.

I own both a ps3 and a 360. I love them both. The ps3 has some minor flaws, but it's been out for less than a month. There've been far fewer problems with the console than there were with the 360 this far into the launch. The majority of the launch 360s were broken... ie didn't work AT ALL. Some people were lucky enough to be able to play for a short time before their console died, but there were very few that didn't have to be sent back to Microsoft. Sony didn't screw up nearly as bad as M$ did. Whoopidy  doo, I might have to wait awhile to play ps2 and ps1 games without jaggies. At least I can play most of them and watch blu-ray movies as well as play the ps3 launch titles.

Things aren't perfect yet, but at least they work.

Links, please. I've had no problems with my launch 360, and neither have the majority of my friends.

One of the advantages of only releasing 400,000 consoles is that quite a few of them end up on ebay. Who knows how many of them are defective? We won't find out until those systems actually get opened.

BTW, the EBGames I shop at won't turn their PS3 on. It locks up after about 30 minutes. They have to shut it off, wait for it to cool down, and restart it. It's too much of a hassle for a system that, even if they had in stock, nobody wants.

[dvsone]

Most things have already been said but...

Definitely this is a bit disappointing from Sony's part. I don't remember them having any problems with B/C on the PS2, and you would think because this is their 2nd B/C console they would of nailed it. It would be interesting to know if newer PS2 titles are having the same problem.

I think both the 360's and the PS3 B/C is disappointing.

360 has high quality B/C but a poor amount of titles
PS3 has poor quality B/C but a high amount of titles

This stinks. Maybe it's the whole "We can update that via firmware updates" that has made Sony really lazy with this console. With the PS2 it was shipped out the factory and that was it till the new version of the hardware.

Now people are saying that it's acceptable that it doesn't work correctly when it's shipped out the factory. And if it fixed within a year via a firmware update that's acceptable. This is a formula for a poor quality product. For a company that prides themselfs on producing a higher quality of product, they sure did get lazy with this console.  Maybe if sony didn't have the ability to update consoles via firmware updates, they wouldn't have rushed the console out the factory door until it was of the highest possible quality.