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What the CELL is going on? Posted by XanTium | 29-11-2006 0:38 EST

From 1up.com:  Blu-ray. The Cell Processor. The RSX graphics chip. The PS3 was supposed to be the most insanely advanced gaming machine ever created. It was supposed to be able to deliver visuals well beyond anything capable on console or PC. According to Sony, the next generation wasn't supposed to begin until PS3 arrived. So why is it, then, that all these PS3 games look just the same as they do on the Xbox 360? When the PS2 first launched, Sony demanded that all games on the system be enhanced visually over their rival platform counterparts. The PS2 represented the next generation of gaming, and software was required to support this notion. With the PS3, Sony seemingly has no such requirements, offering us only that it "expects and encourages publishers working on PS3 titles to take full advantage of the technology and features that PS3 provides." Well, encouraging may not be enough. And promises for better looking games in the future don't really cut it. The PS3 is here now, it costs an extra $200 (at minimum), and the visual difference is questionable. Don't believe us? We put the PS3 lineup to the test. We captured images and video of several games and their Xbox 360 counterparts - using the same exact capture device, with same type of connection cables, running at the same exact resolutions. Now you tell us, are we just missing something or was the next generation here all along? Read More: 1up.com (incl. video/picture compare)

[silentbob343]

ports and that devs don't want to waste time and money optmizing for.  I can't blame them.

[Pheidias]

Hehe journalism at its finest.. Can't believe it took three people to do that and they couldn't acctually produce real images (16:9 full size) or even good comparison shots. MS should demand their money back for this one cos this is one of the worst bashes I've seen for a while.

On another note
What is up with the colors on the RR6 and Blazing angels 360 shots

[silentbob343]

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 29 2006, 02:10 AM)

Hehe journalism at its finest.. Can't believe it took three people to do that and they couldn't acctually produce real images (16:9 full size) or even good comparison shots. MS should demand their money back for this one (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) cos this is one of the worst bashes I've seen for a while.

On another note
What is up with the colors on the RR6 and Blazing angels 360 shots

Yeah I was surprised by the yellow hue on blazing angles.
From a post I made elsewhere;
"You'll notice, of course, most of these are ports, but if you look at Fight Night for the PS3 you can see more detail on the fighters. This shouldn't be surprising as EA had more time to optimize the game for the PS3 hardware than most of those other titles. This tells us that developers aren't going to really put forth much effort making optimizations and I feel that games for both systems will end looking pretty much the same. I can't blame the developers as that is alot of time and money to optimize for two consoles."

This post has been edited by silentbob343: Nov 29 2006, 07:55 AM

[Pheidias]

Yeah the games will look best on the easiest to develop for platform when they do cross platform. Which by many has been said to be the 360, even easier then pc development.

What I'd wanna know is how they exactly do these cross platform titles. On which platform do they start their development, PC?

On another note, dx10 is a beautiful thing. Wonder how the 360 version will stack up.

[Hmerly]

The reason there's so much overharping on the gfx of PS3 games is simply the expectations that people from Sony raised when they say all this stuff about how much better the PS3 is compared to the Xbox 360.  Saying things like Next gen doesn't start until we say it does, or the Xbox 360 is more Xbox 1.5.  For them to say all this stuff, which I feel is very unprofessional (just let your product stand on its merits, not go around like a fanboy and making fun of your competition), and then release a system a whole year later and have it land with a thud like the PS3 has is the reason why you see these comparison pieces all over.  On the whole crossplatform PS3 games have looked worse and run worse.  Its natural, and deserving for Sony to get criticized.  

[silentbob343]

QUOTE(Hmerly @ Nov 29 2006, 02:44 AM)

The reason there's so much overharping on the gfx of PS3 games is simply the expectations that people from Sony raised when they say all this stuff about how much better the PS3 is compared to the Xbox 360.  Saying things like Next gen doesn't start until we say it does, or the Xbox 360 is more Xbox 1.5.  For them to say all this stuff, which I feel is very unprofessional (just let your product stand on its merits, not go around like a fanboy and making fun of your competition), and then release a system a whole year later and have it land with a thud like the PS3 has is the reason why you see these comparison pieces all over.  On the whole crossplatform PS3 games have looked worse and run worse.  Its natural, and deserving for Sony to get criticized.

I agree Sony overhyped the crap out of the PS3.  I'm a realist by nature and I knew it was just hype so when I played it for the firs time I was fairly happy.  Yes, I have played many hours of 360 as well so it wasn't like I hadn't seen a next gen game either.

I see this thread degrading as most of the campro threads.

[Foe-hammer]

QUOTE(silentbob343 @ Nov 28 2006, 11:24 PM)

...but if you look at Fight Night for the PS3 you can see more detail on the fighters. This shouldn't be surprising as EA had more time to optimize the game for the PS3 hardware than most of those other titles..

Time spent optimizing FN3 is not the only reason the boxers look better.





The top is the ps3, and bottom 360.

Do you notice anything peculiar?

Look at the background crowd and tables.  In the ps3 version everything is 2D sprites, so virtually no hardware power went into the background.  Whereas on the 360's version, the crowd and furniture is fully 3D polygonal and the crowd is fully animated.

Sneaky little devils.

[redwolf]

QUOTE

"Cmon you had one full year to do something better or just as good a xbox 360s online features and the best you give me is some psp display? I cant chat with friends no matter what game im playing, i cant send invites to games while in game, the messaging is garbage and i cant check it unless i leave the game. This is unacceptable!!!! This system is full of dissapointments the sony store takes forever to download stuff, certain games play only at 720p and not at 1080i, the nhl 2k7 server doesnt work and this has been for days not 1 or 2 hours or even a day, DAYS!!! I send a friend invite to someone on resistance and it doesnt add them to my friends list on my console, this is the sorriest excuse for seamless online gaming community. there is no community, there is friends on my console, friends on resistance, no friends on nhl cause it doesnt work and my 1 friend on nba 2k7 cause there is never anyone online. so sony buy a 360 because they are available and check out how a real gaming community is ran, I mean i understand this is a free service but if you offered a 360 like enviornment for any amount of cash I would take it over this sorry excuse of a online gaming community. I like the console but it is lacking in online features, so please sony do something about this quick before you prove all the naysayers right that ps3 online is a joke and ps, a web browser doesnt make up for lack functional online gaming community. (but it is nice)"

posted elsewhere...

[Uradox]

QUOTE(Foe-hammer @ Nov 29 2006, 06:29 PM)

Look at the background crowd and tables.  In the ps3 version everything is 2D sprites, so virtually no hardware power went into the background.  Whereas on the 360's version, the crowd and furniture is fully 3D polygonal and the crowd is fully animated.
Sneaky little devils.

Very well spoted (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) i was focusing on the vein on the guys arm in the top pic, then read your comment. Thats just dodgy for 'next gen' seriously really dodgy.....

[twistedsymphony]

QUOTE(Foe-hammer @ Nov 29 2006, 05:29 AM)

Time spent optimizing FN3 is not the only reason the boxers look better.

The top is the ps3, and bottom 360.

Do you notice anything peculiar?

Look at the background crowd and tables.  In the ps3 version everything is 2D sprites, so virtually no hardware power went into the background.  Whereas on the 360's version, the crowd and furniture is fully 3D polygonal and the crowd is fully animated.

Sneaky little devils.

wow, good catch  

I also noticed the top picture has some jaggy action going on, where the bottom one doesn't at all.

This is something that you can't see AT ALL from the 1up shots because they shrunk the images, which effectively super-samples out all of the jaggies.  

There's also a bunch of other crap in the comparison that bothers me like the fact they couldn't adjust the in-game contrast ratio for COD3, or the fact that in NFS carbon one of the cars is boosting during the screen-shot on one side but not the other making a worthwhile comparison useless.

On a whole though what I gathered from this comparison is that games where developers had more time to work on the PS3 version: Ridge Racer, FNR3, Full Auto, etc. They were able to make the important stuff look better, but on games where they came out at the same time: THP8, COD3, Marvel, Tiger Woods etc. they look about the same with a few games looking just slightly better on the 360 (probably due to having a years worth of experience on the console).

I'm sure real comparisons wont be very useful until we see the xplat titles coming out next holiday when developers have experience with both consoles but in general I think it's safe to say the two consoles are fairly well matched graphically.

[incognegro]

In the video on 1up, the crowd is 3D on both versions. Maybe its just that particular level. The animation doesn't seem to be as smooth as on the 360 though, but its a minor issue that you have to be really attentive to see.

This post has been edited by incognegro: Nov 29 2006, 04:11 PM

[silentbob343]

QUOTE(Foe-hammer @ Nov 29 2006, 06:29 AM)

Time spent optimizing FN3 is not the only reason the boxers look better.
[img]http://images.playsyde.com/gallery/public/4609/807_0013.jpg[/ig]
[img]http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/2695/807_0008.jpg[/ig]

The top is the ps3, and bottom 360.

Do you notice anything peculiar?

Look at the background crowd and tables.  In the ps3 version everything is 2D sprites, so virtually no hardware power went into the background.  Whereas on the 360's version, the crowd and furniture is fully 3D polygonal and the crowd is fully animated.

Sneaky little devils.

Yes, I've seen that before.  I heard they are placeholders, but I guess we'll see when it comes out.

Good catch Incog I didn't even see that when I watched the vid.

This post has been edited by silentbob343: Nov 29 2006, 04:59 PM

[Exist2Resist]

I personally know of so many people, that have switched to the 360 from the PS camp. Mainly because they were completely fooled by sony to think that the sony system is better compared to the 360. Fact is this is not true, yeah it has blue ray, but thats about it. Besides with the Wii releasing an HD DVD add on, i think the HD DVD will be a clear winner, although it is definately too early to tell.

[KaRiL]

QUOTE(Exist2Resist @ Nov 29 2006, 08:35 AM)

I personally know of so many people, that have switched to the 360 from the PS camp. Mainly because they were completely fooled by sony to think that the sony system is better compared to the 360. Fact is this is not true, yeah it has blue ray, but thats about it. Besides with the Wii releasing an HD DVD add on, i think the HD DVD will be a clear winner, although it is definately too early to tell.

  huh?? where did you hear that? ....you been reading the inquirer again?
its DVD playback, not HD DVD, and its not an add on, and its completely useless
Link to stupid, false inquirer article
Link quoted in article as source