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[Mr Invader]

QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Nov 15 2006, 12:57 PM)

Tony Hawk Project 8 and COD8 were found to be running at less then 720p (about 30-33% less the resolution to be exact)

Wow, i couldn't tell with Tony Hawk Project 8, that game is graphically stunning. I thought perhaps CoD3 might be, but i wasn't sure.

I don't think this to be a LIE, a lie is telling false info when you know the truth. Considering that these are both third-party titles, its not Microsoft's fault that they are made like this. PGR3 was a first-party game that wasn't in 720p, THAT was there fault but the game still is one of the best 360 games in gameplay and graphics IMO.

[Foe-hammer]

QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Nov 15 2006, 07:54 AM)

If I had to guess I'd say that the resolution is actually higher on the PS3... simply because it doesn't have an internal scaler meaning the game actually has to render at the desired output resolution (though I suppose the game developers could have pulled together a software scaler, it's doubtful).

Hmmmm...I though a game could be rendered at a particular resolution, and then output at whatever they chose...independent of hardware upscaling?

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 14 2006, 11:45 PM)

Wow so the fact that you can only play 1-player online is worthy of size 25 and bold?

fetus  

[twistedsymphony]

QUOTE(Mr Invader @ Nov 15 2006, 04:46 PM)

Wow, i couldn't tell with Tony Hawk Project 8, that game is graphically stunning. I thought perhaps CoD3 might be, but i wasn't sure.

Which is exactly why resolution isn't all that important compared to other factors. Most people don't even notice when the resolution is lower if the rest of the elements are done well. REALISM makes a games graphics impressive, not resolution (it helps but it's not the most important).

QUOTE(Mr Invader @ Nov 15 2006, 04:46 PM)

I don't think this to be a LIE, a lie is telling false info when you know the truth. Considering that these are both third-party titles, its not Microsoft's fault that they are made like this. PGR3 was a first-party game that wasn't in 720p, THAT was there fault but the game still is one of the best 360 games in gameplay and graphics IMO.

Activision Lied because the box says 720p even when it's not

MS didn't lie but they broke their promise, because the guaranteed all games would run at 720p and then they allowed the Activision games to be released at less then that.

QUOTE(Foe-hammer @ Nov 15 2006, 10:08 PM)

fetus  

I might not agree with him but but I've had enough of this name calling... The next person to call him "fetus" or any other name gets a suspension PERIOD, I don't care if you're the f-ing pope.

btw I'm moving this thread to game chat since we have a forum for that now.

[Probizzle]

i think the xbox looked better after i watche the videos. but they both have great graphics. im just a bigger fan of the 360 more then the ps3 i always played my orignal xbox more then  the ps2 and i had them both moded so. yea. i think its still kinda eraly to judge which is better. wait for ps3 to come out with a good game. i just recently got GOW. and i think its the best game ive seen for the 360 on hd. play station doesnt have a real good game out to judge so yea.

[Foe-hammer]

QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Nov 16 2006, 06:40 AM)

I might not agree with him but but I've had enough of this name calling... The next person to call him "fetus" or any other name gets a suspension PERIOD, I don't care if you're the f-ing pope.

I wasn't really calling him "fetus", but just find it funny when i hear that word; just has a commical ring to it and makes no sense.

Plus is it really that bad of a name?  It is not a four letter word or bye word or something.  "Fetus" is pronounced the same way as his user name, after all.  And by definition, all it is is an unborn child.  I don't know, i just don't see the harm in it unless he is 12yrs old and cannot handle life in general.

But........i'll of course respect your wishes.

[thax]

The reason that people don't call other people names when discussing topics is because it is not relevent to the discussion at hand.

Calling someone names is a key sign that you are not thinking or arguing rationally. For example children do not have well developed mental capabilities rely on name calling to resolve conflicts, in addition "fan boys" also are unable to argue from a rational and logical point of view.

This philophy is thousands of years old, so old that it has a Latin name which you may be familiar with, "Ad hominem", which generally means "Attack the Person".

In our journey to understand the truth the act of calling people names does not help us get there.

[Foe-hammer]

QUOTE(thax @ Nov 17 2006, 09:53 AM)

The reason that people don't call other people names when discussing topics is because it is not relevent to the discussion at hand.

Calling someone names is a key sign that you are not thinking or arguing rationally. For example children do not have well developed mental capabilities rely on name calling to resolve conflicts, in addition "fan boys" also are unable to argue from a rational and logical point of view.

This philophy is thousands of years old, so old that it has a Latin name which you may be familiar with, "Ad hominem", which generally means "Attack the Person".

In our journey to understand the truth the act of calling people names does not help us get there.

No shit.

[smitty2003]

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 13 2006, 01:24 AM)

Seems the 360 can't handle neither COD 3 nor Project 8, both are not even running in 720p, COD is 1040x624 and project 8 is 1040x584. I'm not sure what they are running on the ps3 though but I guess the 720p minimum on x360 just went out the window.

I don't know man, i was watching some gameplay for COD3 on my HDTV (which is 1080i) and it looks damn good. i nearly pissed myself.

[silentbob343]

It would've bee nice if Sony could have used some variation the G80 in the PS3.

[PromiscuousRacoon]

Yeah. I have both a PS3 and a G80. So I don't mind. But PC certainly owns a PS3 anyday. Bring on the PS9!

[calderra]

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 15 2006, 07:45 AM)

I'm not really sure how to put this but, Microsoft FUCKIN LIED and are still doing it after the console is out...

"All launch games will be running in 1080p at 120fps."
-Ken Kutaragi

"Resistance will ship at 1080p."
-Ken, Kaz, Phil

"Killzone was real gameplay."
-Ken, Kaz, Phil

"Killzone now looks even better than the real gameplay did at e3 2005."
-Phil, just last week

Er, who lied?
360 versions of games are getting reviews stating they have less slowdown, etc virtually across the board at this point. Ridge Racer, CoD3, Tony Hawk... it's not just one isolated case. And no one's saying the 360 doesnt' have ANY issues on these games- but you can clearly see people are saying PS3's problems are worse.

What I still don't get is- RR6 on 360 apparently looked better and had less slowdown, and was basically the exact same game, but RR7 is one of PS3's hottest titles, while RR6 on 360 was one of the worst launch games. Just seems odd to me.

[Foe-hammer]

QUOTE(gonhunter @ Nov 18 2006, 05:51 PM)

http://dpad.gotfrag..../35372/?spage=1

you people should read it!

Good find.

[Pheidias]

Foe-hammer its Pheidias, Phei-di-as. Sure sounds alike....

That story is insightful but has its flaws. Another strange point I found in it is that it states that the ps2 had just as the ps3 has today almost twice the G-flops the xbox xbox360 have.


If you added in the comments into his article you'd get a more honest and unbiased article.

As one commenter says

"The XBox 360 is an excellent system.. it really, really is. It's so good a system, in fact, that it's not necessary to downplay the PS3's own honest strengths in processing, bandwidth, and storage in order to defend it's honor."

[thax]

QUOTE(silentbob343 @ Nov 20 2006, 07:21 PM)

Worst?  It received an 8.1 for the 360.  Maybe worst as in lackluster game that people don't care for, i.e. not popular.?

Taking ratings from that average of press reviews we get the following rankings among the launch titles. If we as equally as possible divide the launch titles into the 3 groups of Best, Average and Worst we get the following list:

Best Games
1. Project Gotham Racing 3 - 8.9/10
2. Call of Duty 2 - 8.5/10
3. Condemned: Criminal Origins - 8.3/10
4. Need for Speed: Most Wanted - 8.3/10
5. Perfect Dark Zero - 8.2/10
6. Kameo: Elements of Power - 8.1/10

Average Games
7. Peter Jackson's King Kong - 8.0/10
8. NBA 2K6 - 7.9/10
9. Amped 3 - 7.8/10
10. GUN - 7.7/10
11. NHL 2K6 - 7.7/10
12. Tony Hawk's American Wasteland - 7.6/10

Worst Games
13. Quake 4 - 7.5/10
14. Ridge Racer 6 -7.4/10
15. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06 - 7.3/10
16. Madden NFL 06 7.3/10
17. NBA Live 06 - 6.5/10
18. FIFA '06: Road to FIFA World Cup 6.5/10
19. Every Party - 4.8/10

Tetris: The Grandmaster Ace - N/A (No Rating)

Ridge Racer is one of the worst launch titles, as Calderra stated.

[silentbob343]

QUOTE(thax @ Nov 20 2006, 04:00 PM)

Taking ratings from that average of press reviews we get the following rankings among the launch titles. If we as equally as possible divide the launch titles into the 3 groups of Best, Average and Worst we get the following list:
Ridge Racer is one of the worst launch titles, as Calderra stated.

Thank you for the clarification.  Calderra never stated his methodology hence my quesion for how it was determined that RR received a "worst" clasification.  I kept it simple and used reviews from the same site and did not get the same outcome.