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[twistedsymphony]

QUOTE(incognegro @ Nov 1 2006, 05:59 AM)

So I was looking at these lists and although Im getting a wii over a ps3, I found it disappointing that the lineup for the ps3 looks more impressive than the wii. Am I the only one that thinks this way?

I don't think the PS3 launch lineup is all that impressive at all.. basicaly this is what I see when I look at that list:

SCEA Launch Titles:
BLOATWARE FPS
WHO CARES
GIANT CRAB

Third-Party Publisher Titles:
Already on the 360
Already on the 360
Already on the 360
Already on the 360
Already on the 360
Prequil was on the 360 and it bombed
Already on the 360
Already on the 360
GIANT ROBOTS
Already on the 360
Already on the 360
Already on the 360
Prequil was on the 360 and it bombed
Already on the 360
Already on the 360
Already on the 360
Already on the 360
Sequel to a crappy PSP game

I don't see anything there that really piques my intrested at all or isn't availabile on one or both of the other consoles. Maybe it's just me. Resistance is probably the best exclusive launch title they have but I've never been much of an FPS fan and Sony has a track record of making FPSs that look good but play like shit.

The Wii's lineup on the other hand has these exclusive games that I'm very interested in:
Excite Truck
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Wii Sports (bundled with the Wii console)
Trauma Center: Second Opinion
Elebits
Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz
Rayman Raving Rabbids
Red Steel

call me childish but I'm simply giddy with excitment over the idea of playing Monkeyball with the Wii remote. And while Red Steel is a shooter it looks like the gamplay mechanics are similar to that of the Police 911 arcade game but with more free movment availble. Essentially it looks like a cross between a light gun rail shooter (whice I LOVE) and an FPS (which I generally don't care for unless it's REALLY REALLY REALLY fun).

[incognegro]

Rayman is not exclusive, and im definitely getting the 360 version. I guess u guys are right. The wii lineup isn't all that bad but my question is, is it worth buying this year or should I wait it out a bit?

Excite truck sounds okay, I made quite clear about my stance on wii sports, and red steel, im not sold on yet. Not into zelda, No warioware this year  and ele-what?

I just don't know....I was really dissappointed in my gamecube, hope it wont be the same for the wii.

[silentbob343]

QUOTE(incognegro @ Nov 1 2006, 11:57 PM)

Rayman is not exclusive, and im definitely getting the 360 version. I guess u guys are right. The wii lineup isn't all that bad but my question is, is it worth buying this year or should I wait it out a bit?

Excite truck sounds okay, I made quite clear about my stance on wii sports, and red steel, im not sold on yet. Not into zelda, No warioware this year (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)  and ele-what? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif)

I just don't know....I was really dissappointed in my gamecube, hope it wont be the same for the wii.

Well, if you can wait, have friend be the test subject and let him/her buy one. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[nickthegreat]

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 1 2006, 04:11 PM)

games for the wii acctually were worse to play with the wiimote then they would be with a controller.

this worries me about motion sensing controllers in general...... warhawk, for example, looks good, but there isn't a hope in hell of me playing it by moving the pad if i can be more accurate with the analog

twisted - agreed on monkey ball with the wii-mote! - although the above still applies.........

[dvsone]

Nintendo are pushing for non gamers to pick up a Wii and start playing. Hopefully the games will be challenging enough for the experienced gamers, and not just designed for 8 year old kids and hot 40 year old soccer moms.  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) It would have to suck pretty bad for me not to buy one though.

This post has been edited by dvsone: Nov 2 2006, 02:10 PM

[twistedsymphony]

QUOTE(incognegro @ Nov 1 2006, 11:57 PM)

Rayman is not exclusive, and im definitely getting the 360 version. I guess u guys are right. The wii lineup isn't all that bad but my question is, is it worth buying this year or should I wait it out a bit?

Excite truck sounds okay, I made quite clear about my stance on wii sports, and red steel, im not sold on yet. Not into zelda, No warioware this year  and ele-what?

I just don't know....I was really dissappointed in my gamecube, hope it wont be the same for the wii.

ah you're right about Raymen, I didn't realize it was cross platform...

On a whole I'd say that NEITHER launch line up is that impressive. Though I do enjoy the Zelda titles and I'm anxious to try out anything that's using the Wii-Remote.

Really the most impressive games coming out this holiday are cross platform: Splinter Cell Double Agent, Call of Duty 3,  Tony Hawk's Project 8, Rainbow Six: Vegas, Need for Speed Carbon, etc.

though I think in terms of exclusives the 360 has the advantage: Gears of War, Viva Pinata, Fuzion Frenzy 2, Dead or Alive Xtreme 2, Phantasy Star Universe, etc.

[Pheidias]

I do like Bouncing boobies but it doesn't impress me like Alan wake might if they acctually manage to steal enough from jap developed horror games.

But I'd say the wiis exclusives are much more impressive then the x360 and ps3. X360 and ps3 is only rehashing, while Wii is creating new stuff

[kidkinetix]

I'd have to give Wii the best November, but only because of Zelda, there are some other decent / fun looking lunch games but Very Few of them would be worth taking off the shelf in a year.  I'm also very interested in Wii from a Multiplayer poinit of view... I'm thinking it something I could play with my roomates, their girlfriends, and my own.

The games I have to try this year (depending on reviews and impressions of course):

360
 - Gears
 - Rainbow Six Vegas

PS3
 - RFOM

Wii
 - Zelda
 - Raving Rabids / Wario Ware


Games that I'll probably like...
360
 - Cod 3 (might be more fun on the wii? online better on 360 though so...)

PS3
 - Gengi
 - Warhawk
... not launch titles.

Wii
 - Super Swing Golf
 - Red Steel
 - Metal Slug
 - elebits


Resistance FOM just isnt enough to justify the purchase of my PS3 yet... i'll more than likely wait until about this time next year.  As for Wii, I'm not pre-ordering... I'll get one when I can walk into a shop and buy one.  I'll have enough to play on 360 for a little while with Gears and Vegas... not to mention Roboblitz, i can't wait for that shit

[twistedsymphony]

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 2 2006, 10:54 AM)

But I'd say the wiis exclusives are much more impressive then the x360 and ps3. X360 and ps3 is only rehashing, while Wii is creating new stuff

What makes you say the X360 and PS3 games are "rehashing"
Viva Pinata is a completely new franchise and genre bending, Gears of War is a completely new franchise and genre bending, Fuzion Frenzy 2 is a sequel but it will be the ONLY party game available on the 360, DOAX2 dropped the word "volleyball" from its title because it's got more then that now including jet ski racing, a full fledged virtual casino, and a slew of party style mini games, none of which are currently available on the 360. I can't comment on PSU as I'm not familiar with the game asside from the fact that it's fairly popular.

As for the PS3 both Genji and RFoM are new franchises AFAIK. Not to mention the PS2 really didn't have much in the way of FPS games that would make you consider RFoM a rehash of something (a rehash of what exactly?) I can't comment on Genji because as soon as see games about ancient China and Japan I fall asleep.  

I'd have to disagree. Almost everything on the Wii is a sequel to a Gamecube or DS title.

Excite Truck - New but a generic racing game
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - Sequel
Wii Sports (bundled with the Wii console) - New but generic sports games
Trauma Center: Second Opinion - Sequel
Elebits - Sequel
Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz - Sequel
Red Steel - New

The only three games that are completely new are excite truck, Wii Sports and Red Steel, the only thing that makes Wii Sports and Excite Truck interesting is their use of the Wii Remote, aside from that they'd just be generic racing and sports/party games. Red Steel is the only game in the Whole Wii line-up that looks to carve out a new franchise, a new genre and use fresh gameplay mechanics.

When comparing the 360 games coming out to the first wave of games it's all completely new, most of it is still fairly fresh when compared to the Xbox 1. When you compare the PS3 offerings to the PS2 Resistance stands out as something potentially fresh. As for the Wii, any Nintendo fan will tell you that they've seen most of these games on the DS and GC before, they might SEEM fresh to someone who is taking a new look at Nintendo but they're really not... It really all depends on how much they innovate with the Wii-Remote. Red Steel uses every last aspect of it and really creates it's own new genre from the gameplay alone, While games like Wii Sports, Excite Truck and Super Monkey ball will be fun and entertaining when using the Wii-remote I don't think they'll be very innovative in their use of it, from what I've seen non of them offer any sort of innovation in gameplay simply replacing analog stick control with motion control, it boosts the novelty factor but it doesn't boost the innovation of the game at all.

Of course this is my personal impression of these games, and you're entitled to your own. I'd like to know the reasoning behind your stance.

[Pheidias]

Well the wii is the only console that wants to change the way we play. maybe the ps3 has a little bit of that too. But the x360 won't have that at all, all it has is regular old games played the way we have played games for the last 5-10 years. GoW isn't played in a new way its a 3-person shooter with a fps shooter mode, this kind of games has been around for atleast 5 years most prominently on the pc. Viva pinata is a mix between harvest moon and pokemon, just wait until you here the gotta catch em all phrases, etc etc.

I hope you see my point I want new fresh games, games that are played in new way or plays in a way that wasn't possible before.

And to my knowledge ps2 had lots of fps, timesplitters, 007, quake, unreal etc etc(just cos they didin't have halo doesn't mean there were no fps). I've had some fun times with friends playing 4-p vs.

And just so you now every fps since the wolfenstein era has been exactly the same IMO (but we can now strafe )

[incognegro]

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 2 2006, 08:03 PM)

Well the wii is the only console that wants to change the way we play. maybe the ps3 has a little bit of that too. But the x360 won't have that at all, all it has is regular old games played the way we have played games for the last 5-10 years. GoW isn't played in a new way its a 3-person shooter with a fps shooter mode, this kind of games has been around for atleast 5 years most prominently on the pc. Viva pinata is a mix between harvest moon and pokemon, just wait until you here the gotta catch em all phrases, etc etc.

I hope you see my point I want new fresh games, games that are played in new way or plays in a way that wasn't possible before.

And to my knowledge ps2 had lots of fps, timesplitters, 007, quake, unreal etc etc(just cos they didin't have halo doesn't mean there were no fps). I've had some fun times with friends playing 4-p vs.

And just so you now every fps since the wolfenstein era has been exactly the same IMO (but we can now strafe )

You know whats interesting, is that you choose to judge the 360 games based on their content saying that their not original; but if you were to judge the wii games based on their content then its a different story. Think about it, the wii lineup is essentially the DS lineup. Trauma center's been done before, warioware,  smash bros. (and thats been overdone IMO), Metroid prime and brain academy etc.

you say that every FPS is the same since wolfenstien; you mean like mario kart or F-zero?

Its funny that nintendo are the original ones yet have no original franchises

Viva pinata is a is mixture of pokemon and harvest moon but think about it, how many games are a mixture of pokemon and harvest moon? two genres that nobody thought of putting together before. Everything you think is "original" has its origins in something else. Its called inspiration.

"No idea's original, there's nothing new under the sun
 Its never what you do but how its done!"

[Pheidias]

I'm not saying the first batch of wii games are trully new games, but atleast they are played in an enitely new way. And with the DS, its also a console that makes it possible to create new ways to play games.

And also funny of you to bring up trauma center since its one of the games that you wouldn't be able to play on any other console then the wii and DS. This is what we need new innovative games, or atleast what I want. I don't want more fps shooters, only good fps to come out since quake is f.e.a.r and that was only fun becouse of the A.I.

But all this is of course just my opinion. I've just played to much games over the years so I need something new so I can get a reboot. After that I'll probably look at shiny graphics in a new way.

"There of course is one originator
everyone else is just a copycat"

[Mr Invader]

Whats more interesting is that Ridge Racer 7 got better reviews than Resistance: Fall of Man and Mobile Suit Gundam didn't do much worse either!

Ridge Racer 7= 9, 9, 9, 9
Resistance: Fall of man= 9, 8, 8, 8
Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire = 8, 8, 8, 8

Says alot about the PS3 killer app.

[silentbob343]

QUOTE(Mr Invader @ Nov 2 2006, 08:20 PM)

Whats more interesting is that Ridge Racer 7 got better reviews than Resistance: Fall of Man and Mobile Suit Gundam didn't do much worse either!

Ridge Racer 7= 9, 9, 9, 9
Resistance: Fall of man= 9, 8, 8, 8
Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire = 8, 8, 8, 8

Says alot about the PS3 killer app.

To me it says the Japanese don't care much for FPS games.

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Resistance: Fall of Man = 9, 8, 8, 8

Standard FPS gameplay
Excellent netplay
Very high standard of next-generation

Ridge Racer 7 = 9, 9, 9, 9

Totally satisfactory
The amount of content is totally satisfying
The high quality of the graphics and sound are very pleasing
Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire = 8, 8, 8, 8

Excellent models of Mobile Suits
Opinions on the game are divided because it relies heavily on accurate input
The systems are problematic
Great textures
Tons of optional and unlockable content
Overall it's satisfying even though opinions are divided on it
Miyazato (Sega) Golf Club = 7, 7, 7, 7

Good tempo
You can't accurately determine where your shot will fall
Doesn't really look next-generation

Genji: Days of the Blade = 7, 7, 7, 8

Camera sucks, but looks great
Challenging for beginners
Good amount of content
Good controls

Notice the standard FPS gameplay comment.  It wasn't bad, but you run around and shoot things with a gun. Nothing revolutionary or different from other FPS games which they, Japanese, don't care for.  I like FPS games so running around with a gun and killing things is fun so standard FPS gameplay is fine by me.  The only two FPS games to have "wowed" me with gameplay were Battlefield and FEAR. Although neitherr one did anything terribly innovative.  You already had vehicle combat in Tribes and bullet time/Slo-Mo in Max Payne.

This post has been edited by silentbob343: Nov 3 2006, 02:05 AM

[Mr Invader]

QUOTE(incognegro @ Nov 2 2006, 02:53 PM)

You know whats interesting, is that you choose to judge the 360 games based on their content saying that their not original; but if you were to judge the wii games based on their content then its a different story. Think about it, the wii lineup is essentially the DS lineup. Trauma center's been done before, warioware,  smash bros. (and thats been overdone IMO), Metroid prime and brain academy etc.

you say that every FPS is the same since wolfenstien; you mean like mario kart or F-zero?

Its funny that nintendo are the original ones yet have no original franchises

Viva pinata is a is mixture of pokemon and harvest moon but think about it, how many games are a mixture of pokemon and harvest moon? two genres that nobody thought of putting together before. Everything you think is "original" has its origins in something else. Its called inspiration.

"No idea's original, there's nothing new under the sun
 Its never what you do but how its done!"

  This is why i'm not going to buy a wii until more games that appeal to me come out. I could care less about mario, warioware, and donkey kong etc. I want original games.