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xbox11334

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« on: June 24, 2005, 08:58:00 PM »

piracy is a controversial issue, because like it was said on the xbox-scene main news page, people don't think of it as a crime, since nothing physical is being stolen, only virtual data.

personally, although i am aware piracy is illegal and classified as stealing, i do think it is wrong, but not "stealing" because last time i checked, stealing is when something is taken from another person, now the person that originally had the item no longer had it anymore, piracy nothing is physically being taken.

what are your views?
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buttface96

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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2005, 10:19:00 PM »

Well I have some of the same views you do. I am 14, and i make around $10-20 a month. I like to learn things like html, security, and mods/hacks for things, and more importantly games and music. But prices for things are rediculous. $30-60 video games,   and around $15 for a music cd, which will probably have around 11 songs is bullshit. Especially for people like me at my age. Mowing lawns for a living wont cut it. Plus its not like im "stealing", which the RIAA thinks, piracy is just copying. Sueing music fans is not cool.

So basically I dont give a shit
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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2005, 11:10:00 PM »

i look at it this way. You goto the library and get a book for FREE, and even though you have a date to return it you can go back and check it out as many times as you want, and the only reason is becaue their arnt enough for everyone, but it dosnt matter becasuse you can have the book for the rest of your life if you really wanted to without paying for it at all, and dont you think that those authors would be lossing money becaue instead of going out and buy their book your are reading it for free along with millions of other people. So they are lossing who knows how much money, but have you ever once heard of people saying getting books from the library is wrong, and dont forget you can check out movies and software and a bunch of other crap their for FREE.
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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2005, 11:34:00 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2005, 11:46:00 PM »

QUOTE(buttface96 @ Jun 24 2005, 09:30 PM)
Well I have some of the same views you do. I am 14, and i make around $10-20 a month. I like to learn things like html, security, and mods/hacks for things, and more importantly games and music. But prices for things are rediculous. $30-60 video games,   and around $15 for a music cd, which will probably have around 11 songs is bullshit. Especially for people like me at my age. Mowing lawns for a living wont cut it. Plus its not like im "stealing", which the RIAA thinks, piracy is just copying. Sueing music fans is not cool.
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xbox11334

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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2005, 10:29:00 AM »

i do agree with the first two posts, people make it seem like a big deal like people lost so much money, but think about it, mostly EVERYONE has pirated before and think about those things that you pirated (not stole), would you have gone out and bought them anyway?

piracy does not necessarily draw true numbers of how much was "stolen" because half of that stuff, people would have never of bought anyway




and although piracy exists, people still buy stuff, peopel buy what they think is worth buying, or they download before to see if it's good, but the riaa can go fuck themselves because they're a greedy organization anyway, i'll spend my money on independently owned bands, not the rich millionaire bands that are owned by the riaa and the riaa gives them no money anyway


edit: i buy things that are worth the money, or things that i truly like, but as in the other post that was said, i'm only 16 i can't afford most of this stuff, and with game prices going up now with the next gen systems? maybe these companies need to stop complaining and have a better marketing strategy then just raising prices to make more money
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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2005, 08:42:00 PM »

do you people realize that the price of games havnt changed in the last 20 years?
i paid $55 bucks for my 1st nes game.
games have went from kb's to gb's and the price have prety much stayed the same.
if games would have taken the same price as gas, or lets just say botled water. we would be paying around $125 a game.

count your blessings and get a real fucking job if you cant afford them.

and if you realy dont care for the game, sence you only pay for the ones you like, why in the blue hell do you even waist your time coping them if you realy dont care for them. sounds like a buch of bs to me.
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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2005, 09:19:00 PM »

The only games I "pirate" are games that I would not have purchased anyways, so technically they are not loosing any money by me doing it. If I would have purchased a game without a modded console, they I''ll purchjase it even thoiugh I could just copy it.

So with me, the companies are not loosing any money form me pirating gmaes, because I would have purchased those games anyway.
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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2005, 09:22:00 PM »

QUOTE(gamerguy999 @ Jun 25 2005, 08:30 PM)
The only games I "pirate" are games that I would not have purchased anyways, so technically they are not loosing any money by me doing it. If I would have purchased a game without a modded console, they I''ll purchjase it even thoiugh I could just copy it.
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xbox11334

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« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2005, 09:27:00 PM »

are you saying that you have never said, "hmm.this game isn't worth buying, but i'd like to play it a little bit to try it out"


tghere are millions of games out there that suck, but you'd like to try and aren't worth paying 50 bucks for.
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« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2005, 09:36:00 PM »

QUOTE(xbox11334 @ Jun 25 2005, 08:38 PM)
are you saying that you have never said, "hmm.this game isn't worth buying, but i'd like to play it a little bit to try it out"
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« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2005, 11:09:00 PM »

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You say:Okay if you can't afford cable, is it okay to "steal" since you aren't physically taking anything?



Well honestly tv these days are making a lot of money of advertising (commercials). TV should, without commercials should cost money, but tv loaded with commercials should be free.

When you buy a comp program, usualy since u baugh it it is fully featured. The free one is full of ads, or has less features.
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« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2005, 11:25:00 PM »

Actualy reidtheweed01, the library and thier books are not exactly free. Yes they are open to the public and the public can use them as much as they wish, but their also paid for by the public.
Most of the books, music, movies, and other materials in your local library are purtched with tax dollars. Soo everyone that works and buys items ends up paying for a part of a public library through thier taxes.
Also in the library the materials are restricted, for instance you can only copy so much. If a book is popular or if the book is required in more locations, then the library must buy more copies if they want to cover the demand.

As to the the idea of piracy, it's a torny subject. To a point there will allways be people that aquire materials illegaly. If it's rampant then it stagnates development, since it doen't pay to reasearch. On the flip side of the coin, the sharing of a enjoied item is excelent publisicty.
In the end, I don't think that piracy would be nearly the "issue" it is today if the orginal copyrite laws were kept. Having a maximum of 28 years(14 and 14 more with extention), allowed for great strides in advancements.
"If I have seen further it is by standing on ye shoulders of Giants." -Isaac Newton
Many of the most amazing advancements were from coping existing works and modding them to suit your needs. Last I heard the current length of a copyrite is 120 years(I could be wrong). But this doen't realy deal with the entertainment items I belive your probly thinking of.

The big complaint is potential the loss of capital, you have to look at that from the side of the marketing/sales teams.
Lets say there is a mediocre title is reliced. Now yes, the rental stores buy thier copies and the super early adopters, but if you were not able to rent it(saying the local rental places were not intrested) there is a chance you might buy it.
We have all bought a cruddy or mediocre game, but some modders that do pirate titles would rather try and in many cases keep the lesser games as a long as it's not inconvient. Now before that there was a one in lets say a five thousand chance of only thouse that mod to steal. Even if it's only one person that would have bought it, thats still one less sale.
On the otherside of the coin, pirated software can help spread the word of it. Without piracy, windows would not be as popular as it is today and has been known to spread intrest in some of the more amazing games that are not well publicised.

The thing that has brough piracy to be a highly debated topic though realy is the use of the internet. The reason is the ease and far reach of the traffic of the materials. There has been entertainment piracy since the advent of recordable mediums. Back in thouse days you realy needed to be close to an orginal source to get a clean copy of the material(often a friend bought/attended it). Even when sofware was being illegaly traded on BBSes, you were limited by your calling areas.
With the internet, materials were no longer limited to your local area because the globe becomes your local area. So now if one person bought it, they could share the item with anyone in the world connected to the internet. So rather than one copy for each area, it became a few copies through out the globe. Then it was still not a easy thing to search to find your materials.
Things realy became heated as it became no harder to find and download illegal material than it is to look up your favorite websight. The peer to peer clients were so easy to use, setup and download materials that piracy became rampant for a bit. Just like any technically illegal activity being extremely heavily abused that has a second party complaing about it, goverment began to poke it's nose into the matter.

In short, I don't agree with the current copyrite laws but that doen't mean I endorece or agree with infringing on the copyrights.
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xbox11334

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« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2005, 06:25:00 AM »

"there's no such thing as bad publicity, even if it's free"



he's right, no matter how much "piracy" there is, people still 'try and buy' things and it makes products much more popular..
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xbox11334

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« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2005, 02:35:00 PM »

also one more thing to bring into play and i've been wondering about this


canada doesn't have the same kind of problem that we do, well all of you that live in the u.s., they don't have the same problem file sharing was deemed legal there, how was it deemed legal?




i don't really think piracy is as big a problem as people bring it out to be, like i said before an accurate number can't be drawn because most things people pirate, they would't have bought anyway , plus, whether the companies are losing money or not you can bet your ass they're still rich as hell.
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