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[jesterrace777]

Well arguing over consoles is stupid in the first place.  Each one has it's advantages, so why not just accept them for what they are.  I get sick of threads like these as they tend to bring out all the fanboys (on ALL sides) and it just gets lame.  I own both consoles and prefer my PS2 to my XBOX by a little but I still like all of the consoles out there.  There is nothing wrong with preferences and I respect the opinions of those who do reguardless of which side they fall on but to those who simply make comments like "PS2 sucks, XBOX rocks", ect. are just plain stupid and clearly do not own both consoles.  I have seen VERY few people who have owned both consoles, who will still come out and say that one of them is a complete piece of crap.

[Jagosix]

, Here we go again. Why does this debate keep coming up ?  I 4 1 prefer my XBOX over the PS2/GameCube. The PS2 has some games that i like (so does the gamecube). But the Xbox rulz when it comes 2 mods. I mean i have installed a 250GB hd a box (Thats 120 Full xbox DVD games All the Emulators & Roms Included). I can run them all from the HD.  U cant do that from the PS2/GameCube.  I never have 2 use the DVD drive (Less wear & tear) for anything except 2 rip or watch DVD (I already have 4 DVD players in my house). I use Xbmp/Xbmc 2 watch stream movies, Mp3, etc..  from my pc.  These things r all done on my box.  PS2 can do some of these things , but not like the Xbox. Gamecube isnt even in the same league when it comes 2 mods. Most of us here already have a modded system so, we know what system dominates in that area.
Now the hardware. The PS2 is dated. It has been pushed as far as it can go. There's no way that the PS2 can out do the Xbox in grafx, Sound, Online capabilities.  Take for instance, the BEST PS2 games in existance. Now let the Programmers redo those games for the XBOX (I mean literally redo the games 2 use the full power of the XBOX). I'm not talking ports (most of those suck anyway). The XBOX will blow the PS2 away if it was done that way. No longer will we have a debate on XBOX vs PS2. We will then know what system really rules the video game market. Right now its about the games. Thats what's seperating the PS2 from the Xbox. Like i stated b4 if those Same games were redone for the xbox it wouldn't be a debate.  
The GameCube is really good system. It uses the ATI grafx chipset (which blows the PS2 away & hangs tuff with the Xbox).  But as stated again... take the BEST GCn games redo them for the xbox & u'll c games as never b4.  So with that in mind, it's a matter of preference. Some of u will still use the XBOx. Some of u will use the PS2. Some of u will use the GameCube. Hey .. Some have both or all 3 systems. Whichever u have , enjoy it (I know i will) . Enjoy them all . That's what they're here for.


U can learn something from everybody .

[Masterjosh]

[Masterjosh]

sorry for doulbe post saw a spellin error and tryed to fix it :s

[Perplexer]

[jesterrace777]

[SSJDemon]

   

[i.stole.this.name]

QUOTE (guitardork864 @ Jan 5 2004, 11:01 AM)

To get back to the main topic at hand, your argument has no logical base.  First off these are 2 COMPLETELY different processors.  The Ps2's EE (emotion engine) is both its CPU and GPU.  The EE actually is divided into 6 seperate units that can do some great things when they are programmed to run in tandom with each other.  HOWEVER you cant just say that if the ps2 cpu was 32 bits it would be running at 1.4 ghz.  the bus width doesnt have anything to do with cpu power, it has to do with the amount of data that can be transfered to and from the processor/ram and it only becomes a performance factor when a great deal of data is being transfered to and from the CPU.  Just because the PS2 has 128 bit bus doesnt mean its using it efficiently all the time.  Basically, Bus width doesnt affect in any way the actual CPU performance, it only affects overall application performance and only when a great deal of data has to be transfered at once.  Then it becomes a bottleneck.  The ps2 cpu cant do as much work as an xbox cpu hence the xbox cpu is still faster.  The xbox GPU contains programmable pixel/vertex shaders while the PS2 lacks both of these features.  THe "Ps2 is too hard to program for" argument cant really be used to much now because developers have had several years now to experiment and learn the architecture.  granted it is harder to develop for than xbox.  Other obvious advantages is the xbox's 64MB ram vs. the PS2's 32. I'm not some raging fanboy, i have a ps2 and it was the first system i ever did any type of modding with and i love it, im just saying you cant deny facts. oh and evox reloaded: the PS2 CANT play backup games.  The only homebrew the PS2 has are about 7-8 emus (SNES-80%,Genesis-95%,Master System-100%,MAME ??%) and some other really old ghetto 70's computer emulators.  The PS2 also has a divx/xvid player and memory card/hard drive application loader, but as far as storing roms and stuff that has yet to be implemented except for the genesis emulator. oh and the PS2 has some MAJOR CD reader problems.  For an average user, 10-20 hours a week, the PS2 reader WILL fail after 2 years.  I know, mine has, all of my friends have and because of this Sony was forced under threat of legal action to offer free repairs for people with the "disc read error."(just search it on google) Sony's justification for using such cheap components was they wanted to "keep production costs down." It also helps that the PS2 laser is mal-adjusted.  In order to get the PS2 out on time, rather than using a decent cd laser, they take really cheap ones and jack the laser voltage out the crapphole so it willread all the different formats it was meant to read.

ok, this guy doesnt know what hes writing about at all, its bad enough ur a n00b you dont have to go showing it

firstly, use the enter key once in a while, take a breath

secondly, you cannot say that bus architecture doesnt set the ps2 CPU ahead of the xbox, it does, massively... having a bus architecture four times the speed of the xbox one allows the ps2 to flood the memory with commands and clear it much faster, making the CPU and memory effectively faster and higher capacities than the xbox ones.

Have you ever used a powermac? (G4 just so we can compare to intels crappy 64 bit bus width). The velocity engine, similar to that of hypertransport, allows data to be summoned and stored in the memory at blistering speeds, making the need for speed essentially less and setting the physically slower core and memory ahead of most intel processors.

secondly, the xbox has shared RAM so it is not really 64mb, but normally at a ratio of cpu to GPU 2:1 (mostly anyway).

then, we see that the ps2s physical speeds are much lower than that of the xbox, so it doesnt matter what the effective speeds are it still might not reach those of the xbox, so this is what is with the GPU not being as effective.

PS2 system architecture runs across several (parallel) pipelines, sort of like a FSB if you like, that links all the systems components, which is different to the xbox's standard PC northbridge-southbridge architecture, making for a much higher memory and GFX bandwidth, so on a higher technical configuration, the ps2 would easily massacre the xbox.

Finally, remember that the systems were released a year and a half apart! most computers in the market today dont last 3 months in the 'high end' section of the market, so the PS2 is now 4 years old, and had a good run, where sales have doubled, in some cases quadrupled those of the xbox, and looking at gamecube sales is completely irrelevant as they are too low...

You seem to be forgetting that the ps2 was constructed to be an entertainment system solely, and sony cuts no corners in making it just that... small, quiet, sleek, and fun... whereas MS constructed a bullet-proof tank of a computer that sounds like a wounded rhino, so in future, have more respect when comparing 2 systems.

[mkjones]

I cant be arsed reading the whole thread but all I can say is:

"The only emotion the 'emotion engine' gives developers is dissapointment"

or something like that..

the PS2 is powerfull, yes, but harder to program for, unlike the xbox wich is piss and faster...

[i.stole.this.name]

QUOTE (mkjones @ Jan 13 2004, 12:04 PM)

I cant be arsed reading the whole thread but all I can say is: "The only emotion the 'emotion engine' gives developers is dissapointment" or something like that.. the PS2 is powerfull, yes, but harder to program for, unlike the xbox wich is piss and faster...

thats cuz the xbox is technically a pc so the structure has been around for ages for programmers, how come xbox games cost more to produce tho?

anywho im not saying the ps2 is higher tech when its clearly not im just saying whats the point of a good gaming system with barely any good games on it?

why i got an xbox u say? modding!

[whiffin]

[i.stole.this.name]

screw the console wars, time for bragging wars!

[jesterrace777]

 I own both myself.  

[i.stole.this.name]

QUOTE (guitardork864 @ Jan 14 2004, 11:44 AM)

amen!

LOL

[Mage]

QUOTE (evoxreloaded @ Dec 15 2003, 03:30 AM)

now i dont own a ps2 ..i did but not long enough to get onto the mod scene...but i do know my computers and anyone who says PS2 is better than the Xbox are only in it for the name not the performance... PS2 what a joke...that HDD add-on is gonna flop fast...and not only is it a matter of being a cut down of windows and easier to program or so we heard Xbox has a wider variety of apps that can be added.....last i checked ps2 can only run games from the hdd and thats it....and compatibility issues is another thing...does ps2 have MS capabilities... I THINK NOT....and i dont see any alternative os for the ps2...and last i checked ps2 is only in competition with gamecube..which i think is still better then ps2...xbox is the god of all consoles. I think Xbox users are more serious than ps2 users who buy one for games only..bill gates sux....but the xbox is one thing i think will be reaching advanced users for years to come....so in conclusion ps2 sux....

PS2Linux

I'm not going to say much in this debate, since it has been talked about many many times before...however the ps2 has had offical linux support for a long time now.

Sony even throws coding competitions.