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[BoNg420]

I look at voting as a waste of time.  Our vote is worthless. Even if you vote for the person you want to win, and he/she wins, we all still lose no matter what.

[hardcandy]

QUOTE(lostboyz @ Jun 17 2008, 01:19 AM)

then maybe you should stop being a hypocrite?

Go read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand, and get an understanding of how far liberalism can go

this saving the world bullshit, and 'we can do it' slogans are the end of it. When politicians proclaim 'we can do it' it really means 'we will legislate that you do it' whether it can be done or not. Almost never is the technical professionals ever questioned or listened to in these matters. How many people bought hybrid cars because Al Gore told them to. WHO THE FUCK IS AL GORE. YAY ETHANOL, BOO COAL, SAVE THE PLANET.

We need to go back to conservative roots, cut the fucking war bullshit, worry about our economy before we save the world. Especially since the rest of the world dosent give a shit.

We are using most of our corn fields to produce ethanol where that was one of the few things we can export. Its just one example of backwards thought.

A new movie version of "Atlas Shrugged" is supposed to come out in 2009.
Angelina Jolie is the star

Atlas Shrugged is a fictional work. The liberal policies of the Democrats in the 1930's, 1960's and some in the late 1990's are real. Some of the results are good , some are bad. Try not to simplify the world too much. That is the main argument I have with Objectivism (the philosophy created by Ayn Rand) it relies on too much black or white/right or wrong. Humans and the world have too many shades of grey.
As an example; Roman Polanski, the film director, was expelled from the USA for having sex with an underage girl (13 years old). Now according to Ayn Rand, Polanski was just working  on his  self interest.

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She believed that individuals should choose their values and actions solely by reason. According to Rand, the individual "must exist for his own sake, neither sacrificing himself to others nor sacrificing others to himself. The pursuit of his own rational self-interest and of his own happiness is the highest moral purpose of his life."

Polanski argued the girl was agreeable. So was he saying he did not "sacrifice others to himself"? Was it wrong to have sex with a 13 year old girl? Would Ayn Rand say it was none of the government's business as  to what Polanski was doing?  Did Polanski's contributions to the world (Chinatown, Rosemary's Baby) outweigh his actions towards a 13 year old girl? See how grey it can become?
I would like to see the USA become more like Canada, Sweden, and France. More concerned with the quality of life instead of the cost of life. We may make  more money, but are we truly happy as a society compared to some other countries? Is capitalism really worth it?

[damam]

how on earth are they going to make a movie out of atlas shrugged.

i believe that rand would compare Polanski to James Taggart. "The man who has no purpose, but has to act, and acts to destroy others. "  She would also say that his desire to have sex with a 13 year old, was a symptom of his own self value.  Therefore, Rand would have declared that Polanski was in fact depraved and immoral.  I could go on much longer on Rands view on sex in the book, her views on sex in her life, and on morality in general, and why your reply is a completeley distorted view of her beliefs, but if you really know Rand as well as you proclaim too, then there is no need to do that because you must have distorted it on purpose.

as for your reply to my post:
that is a change, a change back to lbj and carter to be specific.  And we can see how well that worked out for them.  Like it or not, war, when allowed to go to completion, solves more issues than peace.  Why?  Peace requires mutual dis-satisfaction, and people are only willing to put up with that for so long because both sides will eventually feel like that got the short end.

i dont like golden parachutes anymore than anyone else, but why on earth did the company allow it?  This falls back on the owners (shareholders) of the company.  Dont like it, dont buy stocks in companies that do it.  Vote with your wallet.

now that nanosolar is producing solar at a .36 cents a watt, it is now below the cost of oil (about 40 cents per watt at $50/barrel) to go to solar.  As they ramp up and perfect the technique, the market forces will drive the US to solar sometime within the next 5 - 7 years.  And it will happen rapidly.  No need for government intervention.

[lostboyz]

I am fully aware that atlas shrugged is fiction....but I couldnt help seeing the large truths in a book 50 years old in events happening today. When politicians from both sides of the fence come together to say 'we need to do ***' we are in trouble. When there is nothing left to fight about and we are coming together to 'solve' problems it means there is nothing left to do but just keep saying 'we can do it'

We need a plan to produce more, bring energy costs down (w/o respect to being green), and look into the future of our economy. Because why save the world for our children if they dont have the means to live.

[Reaper527]

QUOTE(lostboyz @ Jun 17 2008, 01:19 AM)

WHO THE FUCK IS AL GORE. YAY ETHANOL, BOO COAL, SAVE THE PLANET.

this guy

http://tennesseepoli...?article_id=764

i'd give him the hypocrite of the year award

[damam]

QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Jun 18 2008, 07:47 AM)

this guy

http://tennesseepoli...?article_id=764

i'd give him the hypocrite of the year award

its a funny article, but unfortunately i dont think the dates add up.  I think they may have been measuring while he was under construction.  Never the less, I doubt gore will ever be able to achieve anything close to under 8,000 kw hours/year that I use let alone the number he wants us paupers to live by.  Any way you slice it gore is an elitist baffoon.