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[II BJ II]

you guys don't understand it goes deeper than just stealing money from the corporations. When your chipping a system for somebody 90% of the time their not using it for "BACKUPS" they go straight home and pirate a couple games off the net.  Ok and that not only affects Microsoft itself as a corporation it also affects employees of Microsoft...which lead to layoffs...it effects producers of the game..marketing of the game...its not as big of deal in the video game industry yet, but will soon be if we don't get people like Falls Inc off the street. Piracy is like a disease and Falls Inc. is help spreading that disease.  Look at the music industry its almost pointless now to put an album out because of all the pirating...you spend $20 million on marketing and only sell 500,000 albums!! Soon thier will be no music, and you are very narrow minded if you think its just OK to chip systems and not care about the effect it is going to have on other people.

[manicdk]

A fine example of capitolism at its finest :-/ the fact is that business and government are in cahoots and are the real criminals nowadays.  I would have never told them anything until I had an attourny and told them where to stick that soldering iron.  We as consumers have a right to do whatever we want with our consoles!  we purchased them!  I think the industry need to refocus on delivering better products than attacking the very people whos business they want.  Instead of spending money going after your product buyers why not spend that money to deliver a better product.

[joe90]

QUOTE(FallsInc @ Aug 3 2007, 09:04 AM)

i interpret it as this: if they do no expressly forbid modchips, then they are not illegal. cd burners violate the DCMA...

Fair point, I hope thats the agument you use in court,  and win.. However, i expect you have not read all the fine print of the copy write law, espcailly around modchips, and hence were not fully informed and will loose.

These are clever people, and they know what they are doing, and the law is very clearly the law..

QUOTE(manicdk @ Aug 3 2007, 09:12 AM)

We as consumers have a right to do whatever we want with our consoles!  we purchased them!

unfortunately, that is incorrect

[FallsInc]

i think he means they shouldn't be devoting time and money to stopping people who get modchips mailed to them... which is a far cry from smuggling. they just come in a padded envelope or box. it's not like we pack them in rotten potatos in cargo containers, or put them with coffee grounds, or up peoples asses.

the guy even told me that the week before they took down a guy that loads of child porn. i just don't see how i can possibly be more worthy of taking down, than someone else like that.

[luther349]

QUOTE(II BJ II @ Aug 3 2007, 10:12 AM)

you guys don't understand it goes deeper than just stealing money from the corporations. When your chipping a system for somebody 90% of the time their not using it for "BACKUPS" they go straight home and pirate a couple games off the net.  Ok and that not only affects Microsoft itself as a corporation it also affects employees of Microsoft...which lead to layoffs...it effects producers of the game..marketing of the game...its not as big of deal in the video game industry yet, but will soon be if we don't get people like Falls Inc off the street. Piracy is like a disease and Falls Inc. is help spreading that disease.  Look at the music industry its almost pointless now to put an album out because of all the pirating...you spend $20 million on marketing and only sell 500,000 albums!! Soon thier will be no music, and you are very narrow minded if you think its just OK to chip systems and not care about the effect it is going to have on other people.

i dont fully agree there alot of pirets where probly not going to buy it anyways. some do indded buy it after downloading it. and some like myself are fully into the homebrew/linux scene and have no backups legit or otherwise. the problem is we all get thrown into the same pool. the losses on game latly is not due to pirets its due to poor games i havent bought crap in some time simply couse there knothing worth owning. now when halo 3 gta or whatever comes out those so called losses are gonna end with a huge spike in game sales.

dont go into music its the same story there hasent been anything worth buying in years they produce crap and wonder why sales are flat.

[pirichios]

QUOTE(II BJ II @ Aug 3 2007, 10:12 AM)

you guys don't understand it goes deeper than just stealing money from the corporations. When your chipping a system for somebody 90% of the time their not using it for "BACKUPS" they go straight home and pirate a couple games off the net.  Ok and that not only affects Microsoft itself as a corporation it also affects employees of Microsoft...which lead to layoffs...it effects producers of the game..marketing of the game...its not as big of deal in the video game industry yet, but will soon be if we don't get people like Falls Inc off the street. Piracy is like a disease and Falls Inc. is help spreading that disease.  Look at the music industry its almost pointless now to put an album out because of all the pirating...you spend $20 million on marketing and only sell 500,000 albums!! Soon thier will be no music, and you are very narrow minded if you think its just OK to chip systems and not care about the effect it is going to have on other people.

  its amusing how you can call another human being a spreader of disease.... you probably are a real pirate trying to sound like a saint

[joe90]

QUOTE(FallsInc @ Aug 3 2007, 09:14 AM)

i think he means they shouldn't be devoting time and money to stopping people who get modchips mailed to them... which is a far cry from smuggling. they just come in a padded envelope or box. it's not like we pack them in rotten potatos in cargo containers, or put them with coffee grounds, or up peoples asses.

I think the main point is you are not declaring you earnings.. and avoiding paying TAX.. and you will get farked for that..

Silly analogy, but that what they get the big crime family's for, not killing, murder, extortion, but tax evasion.

[FallsInc]

good games sell. look at halo 2. EVERYONE pirated that game in french... and it sold ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE MILLION dollars worth of copies, in 24 hours... (most people wouldnt pay 50 bucks to have a movie in english instead of french. they bought it cause it was worth buying)

and i have a record of my profits, and i am going to claim it on this years taxes.

[joe90]

QUOTE(FallsInc @ Aug 3 2007, 09:19 AM)

good games sell. look at halo 2. EVERYONE pirated that game in french... and it sold ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE MILLION dollars worth of copies, in 24 hours...

that defense would not work in a court of law.. I think you need to understand the difference between LAW and your moral LAW.

[luther349]

of course it sold well. well halo 2 i didnt like personaly but it was a huge hit and sold well of course the priets i listed first are gonna priate it but they wouldent have bought it anyways the others did. i acully never bought hal o 2 myself but i had a frend so despret for me to play it he bought a copy and gave it to me hes a hardcore halo fanboy. i still dont play it lol.

[FallsInc]

QUOTE(joe90 @ Aug 3 2007, 03:21 AM)

that defense would not work in a court of law.. I think you need to understand the difference between LAW and your moral LAW.

i'm just saying that the estimated losses are bogus is all

[pirichios]

QUOTE(joe90 @ Aug 3 2007, 10:21 AM)

that defense would not work in a court of law.. I think you need to understand the difference between LAW and your moral LAW.

Listen what you me or other members of the forum have to say regarding of the legality of this means SHIT. let the judge decide wether what he did was right or wrong if it comes to court time. at Falls, my recomendation is again, if you felt that you did not do anything wrong, then fight for what you believe in, after all that is the point of living in AMERICA

[luther349]

i think we both are calling those losses bogus. but there right that whont work in court. pirets with morals and those without dont make a diffrence its all abought the written law.

[FallsInc]

alright, well, i'm tired, and i got most of the questions figured out for people. i'm going to sleep.

[luther349]

yep this is captlest usa you vote with your wallet. money buys everything. if you where not broke it would even buy you out of this mess.