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damam

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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2006, 09:20:00 AM »

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Omg, how many of these friggin conspiracy 9/11 threads must we endure.


Thats funny, cause I was just thinking the other week that wow, no one has posted anything on 911 in a real real long time.  

Im not going to bother watching this one either because I have spent way to much time watching other similar videos on other threads.  But another really common thing in these videos is to take quotes out of context.  Really you should not put too much weight on a quote unless you can read the paragraph before and after for relevance and then check the credentials of the being person quoted.  Millions of people witnessed this attack, and so i am sure it is very plausible to find a select few that perceived it in a way that would back any theory.  I am still waiting for the flying saucer/alien theory, I am certain it is out there.

I also have yet to hear a good motive behind all of this.
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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2006, 09:50:00 AM »

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so they could crash them with full tanks allowing 10,000 gallons of jet fuel to spill down igniting the tower in order to heat up and weaken its steel structure. Once that portion of steel weakened from the intense heat, the portion it was supporting came crashing down causing a chain reaction of destruction.

not only that, they hijacked cross-country flights nearby the target, so they knew they would be fully fueled

although the video does make the (seemingly) accurate point that dozens of high rises have burned for hours on end and never collapsed, but i feel people that use this comparison cant see the forest for the trees.......those buildings werent hit by planes.

now we could argue back and forth over whether or not the impact of 100 tons of metal hitting the side of a building at 500 miles per hour would have any effect of that buildings structural integrity, but lets look at the building that didnt collapse first

the reason the other buildings didnt collapse from the fire was because the steel support beams are surrounded by a fireproof casing that prevents them from heating up and weakening in a fire

in the twin towers, that casing was stripped off by the initial impact of the planes, exposing the steel to the fire and causing it to heat up and weaken very fast

another question, why did they collapse so fast once the steel structure failed? well the planes hit about 1/3 of the way up and 1/4 of the way from the top of the towers, the total weight of each tower was about 500,000 tons, assuming even distribution that puts 165,000 tons and 125,000 tons above each crash site, repsectively.

assuming the structure failed across one floor the top of the tower would have fallen approximately 3 meters before hitting the floor below it, this would result in a speed of about 5.5 m/s. 125,000 tons decelerating for 5.5 m/s to 0 almsot instantly (as is the case in a solid object hitting another solid object) would result in a force of nearly 7 million tons (that would be like stacking 14 more world trade center towers on top of tower 1) the one that was hit 1/3 of the way up would have produced over 9 million tons of force, its no wonder it collapsed so fast.

and thats assuming they only fell down 1 floor, if they fell two floors the force is doubled

now, another favorite chestnut of the conspiracy theorists is that the towers were designed to withstand the impact of a commercial aircraft, i have a few things to say on that

1: design and practice are often two very different things, its possible this was simply a failure of the design

2: they were designed to withstand the impact of a boeing 727, the largest commercial aircraft in service at the time of the towers design, the 727 is about 20% smaller and over 60% lighter than the 757

3: both points 1 and 2 are moot, the towers DID survive the initial impact of the planes (they stood for an hour after the crash) it was the fire and failure of structural steel the caused the collapse


yes, the towers were designed to survive a plane crash
yes, the towers were designed to survive a fire

unfortunately, they could not survive both at the same time
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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2006, 10:07:00 AM »

QUOTE(damam @ Feb 20 2006, 10:27 AM) View Post

I am still waiting for the flying saucer/alien theory, I am certain it is out there.

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« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2006, 10:45:00 AM »

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The Church of Scientology claims that the 9/11 hijackers were brainwashed by psychiatrists who were the real masterminds behind the attacks, despite the fact that none of the hijackers were ever known to have visited psychiatrists.
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i like how they put in that last part that none of the hijackers ever saw shrinks.  just in case we were seriously considering it. . . .
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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2006, 01:17:00 PM »

There may be many conspiracies to what really happened but a Boeing 757 DID hit the Pentagon. The theory has been debunked on abovetopsecret.com They have pictures of 757 wheels and everything else.
http://www.abovetops...e_evidence.html

... and we landed on the moon.
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lordvader129

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« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2006, 01:24:00 PM »

QUOTE(Arvarden @ Feb 20 2006, 02:17 PM) View Post

Good photo's LV.

If the first photo has not been photoshopped this may prove the theory of life after death *sniggers* also prophet what ever his name is seems to have lost a few balloons in the other photos.

@thread starter

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heh, the first photo (the animated one) is actually a bird flying in front of the camera, you can also see it int he last pic (the white dot) next to the tower

ill see if ic an find all the frames of the bird....

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there...looks like a bird flapping its wings

and other shots of the towers from other angles show nothing there
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lordvader129

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« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2006, 02:23:00 PM »

QUOTE(throwingks @ Feb 20 2006, 02:24 PM) View Post

There may be many conspiracies to what really happened but a Boeing 757 DID hit the Pentagon. The theory has been debunked on abovetopsecret.com They have pictures of 757 wheels and everything else.
http://www.abovetops...e_evidence.html

... and we landed on the moon.

a few of those pics (the peices of wreckage) showed up in the video in the first post, but without any real "expert" testimony from either side i cant formulate a valid opinion

one thing i would like to know, however, is why there is no apparent damage from the wings in the pentagon wall


@ avarden

that si so fake, everyone knows superman doesnt live in new york, thats gotta be storm from the xmen
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« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2006, 02:33:00 PM »

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Feb 20 2006, 04:30 PM) View Post

that si so fake, everyone knows superman doesnt live in new york, thats gotta be storm from the xmen

I think Superman lives 6 feet under now.
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« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2006, 04:06:00 PM »

One thing this video does not mention much is how the forgotten WTC tower 7 fell like a house of cards later that day.  They don't have an explaination of why it happened except that Tower 7 is not even close to WTC towers 1 & 2.  It was not hit by a plane.  There was the Dutsche bank building which was extremely to one of the collasped towers did not fall.  
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« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2006, 07:24:00 PM »

QUOTE(damam @ Feb 20 2006, 11:27 AM) View Post

I also have yet to hear a good motive behind all of this.

Patriot act


fire in the buildings-> kerosene, simular to gasoline, burns extreamly fast. All the gas would have been
compleatly burnt up in less then 5 sec. all of it. The resulting fire that "heated up the support
structure", was from desks, paper, chairs etc. Hardly enough to produce 3000 degrees needed.
That building had water sprinklers. It would have given the fireman more time to put out the fire.

I don't know why they fell, but it wasn't from the jet fuel. And there's no way the tower would have
collapsed that soon. Let alone both towers.


btw slightly off topic, but how much money has bush made since 9/11? Doesn't he own alot of stock in
haliburton? (<-spelling?) Oil companies?

QUOTE(damam @ Feb 20 2006, 11:27 AM) View Post

I also have yet to hear a good motive behind all of this.

money

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lordvader129

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« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2006, 08:57:00 PM »

it would have taken much more the 5 seconds for the kerosene to burn up

and where did you get 3000 degrees from? steel weakens an dbecomes structually unsound between 1300F 1400F

a wood fire, accelerated by jet fuel, should be able to produce these temperatures easily

that, combined with the impact of the planes themselves, would be plenty to destroy the structure of the towers
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« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2006, 09:15:00 PM »

Too bad there were no hijacked planes, no hijackers and no Flight 77. Flight 93, no 757 wreckage whatsoever. Just lies. 911 is one BIG LIE.

http://letsroll911.o...ight=passengers
http://thewebfairy.com/911/93/hole.htm
http://thewebfairy.c...n/flight93.html
http://www.thoughtcr...otscheduled.htm
http://www.whatreall.../hijackers.html

No scientifical explanation needed...

Enron LOVES 911> http://letsroll911.o...er=asc&lighter=
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« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2006, 09:22:00 PM »

QUOTE(buckwheat @ Feb 20 2006, 09:22 PM) View Post

Too bad there were no hijacked planes, no hijackers and no Flight 77. Flight 93, no 757 wreckage whatsoever. Just lies. 911 is one BIG LIE.

http://letsroll911.o...ight=passengers
http://thewebfairy.com/911/93/hole.htm
http://thewebfairy.c...n/flight93.html
http://www.thoughtcr...otscheduled.htm
http://www.whatreall.../hijackers.html

No scientifical explanation needed...

Enron LOVES 911> http://letsroll911.o...er=asc&lighter=
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Guess you didnt read my link above. Don't get all your info from 1 sided sources. Read all angles and make your own decisions. Don't let people make them for you. I am sure there are some lies. For reasons we will never know. But, sometimes, lies are for our own good.
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« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2006, 09:43:00 PM »

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Too bad there were no hijacked planes, no hijackers and no Flight 77. Flight 93, no 757 wreckage whatsoever. Just lies. 911 is one BIG LIE.

a friend of mine knew someone on one of the flights, but yeah, she sprobably just part of the coverup  grr.gif  grr.gif  grr.gif
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« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2006, 10:23:00 PM »

QUOTE(throwingks @ Feb 20 2006, 11:29 PM) View Post

Guess you didnt read my link above. Don't get all your info from 1 sided sources. Read all angles and make your own decisions. Don't let people make them for you.

If you read one side of ANY "conspiracy" you will believe their side against almost ALL reason.
You HAVE to read both sides, as he says.  I watched a TV show that "proved" that the Moon landing was a hoax and I believed it for years.
A month or two ago, I did a little research and realized all the "arguments" in that show were complete and utter CRAP or at the least half-truths.
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