QUOTE(damam @ Jan 15 2006, 05:17 PM)
Contrary to what your suggesting, the 6 day war was not merely land grab venture by the israelis.
the jews got israel despite the best efforts of europe and the US not because of them. They were not "exported" as you say after the war when the jews tried to flee to israel after the war, they were rounded up and thrown back into the same concentration camps they had been in during the war. Through 1948 there was a concerted effort by the UN to keep Jews out of what would become the isreali state. Truman stood alone in america in his support of an israeli state, congress voted against supporting it. European countries not only endorsed the surrounding countries invasion of the newly declared israeli state in 1948, they helped by provding cover fire, gave arms for the invasion, and instated and enforced an embargo against israel. The only shred of proof in this arguement that israel is an indian reservation is UN Resolution 181, but no one believed it could last. They all thought it would be taken out immediately by arab forces (and to help things along they helped them too). This idea that the israeli state is just a modern day reservation for jews is just completely historically false.
But you are right in one sense: as horrible as the holocaust is this does not entitle them to special priviledge in any way. Just as the Native American Holocaust really should not entitle them to special priviledge in any way either. The difference lies in the fact that the Jews despite the arab world and the UN fought for land, won, and became a sovereign nation. That gives them the right to the land. Not the holocost.
If the other arab countries did not have oil, we would not be concerned at all about getting rid or keeping israel. Countless countries have sprung up and gone down in the meantime doing really really horrible things. Does any one care about those? Ohhhh the palestenians, what about the christians in sudan or the Tutsis in Rwanda? I guess there are no oil rich countries to lobby on their behalf . . . so they get screwed.
But hey lets just re-write history so that none of humanities dark moments ever happened. Rape of Nanking - gone, holocost gone, slavery gone, etc. Remembering the events helps us know how we got to the point that we are at and helps us not to go down bad roads in the future. They want to re-write history so that the holocost never happened. The only reason why we think that genocide is evil today is because of the holocost. It fundamentally changed the world in that way. So with the holocost gone, the merits of genocide can be rediscussed, then we can kill the kurds, tutsis, croats, american natives, etc.
You still skirt the issue.
I am refering to post WWII Europe, before the creation of the political state of Isreal.
You seem to imply that land rights are determined by those with the biggest guns which is probably true, but is somewhat unjust.
The Palestinains have occupied that strip of land nearly a 1000 years before english was a spoken language.
Ideally, in a civilized world fighting over land would be outdated. Sorry, if I lend no credibility to the U.N.
When the UN agrees with the US it is wise and worthy, but when it does not they are corrupt and decietful.
Which is it?
I only made the original post because I was somewhat offended by your comments regarding Native Americans.
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How long will the Indians talk about how they can never recover because the white man stole there land?
How long will the american people be distracted by "God gave us this land and the ARABS stole it"
Turnabout is fairplay. However I would not make the seem comments regarding Europeans of Jewish faith or any other Jewish nationals. Frankly it is not my business.
When I saw video of the people taking their own lives by jumping from the WTC towers to their death it reminded me of this scene from one of those slave movies when africans jumped from boats with their children in hand to keep from being slaves. Their are similiar stories in Irish-British conflict, as well as Native-British/French/Spanish and whoever else conflict. And that is only N. America.
I still have not figured it out why Americans are so obsessed with Isreali politics, whether for or against. But display such indifference when the context of the conflict is framed against other ethnic groups.
You yourself stated your disdain for your tax money going to "lazy" americans, is the ideal of building schools in Isreal and not Fla, more appealing. Supporting foreign nationals that do not pay taxes at all but recieve american welfare. At least mexicans do work and live in the US.
That really seems just blatantly bigoted to me. And I am not trying to call you names please forgive but on the surface it seems a little skewed. We can lump mexicans into the debate as well.
The mexicans were in the southwest expelled by Brits and now wish to return, on the surface it appears to be the exact political situation as the Isrealis....
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