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[Maximumbeing]

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As opposed to just getting us nowhere?

Yes.

[damam]

QUOTE(Arvarden @ Mar 11 2005, 07:03 AM)

Track you down?  Count yourself lucky cus you would be prolly be the last person on "my list". 

well if I was defenseless in england i would be able to rest slightly better at night now -

QUOTE(Arvarden)

Accidents with fire arms are rare but one child killed by the home owners fire arm is one too many.  We have stun guns, pepper spray etc...non lethel weapons that home users can use to disable a person and give you time to move out of harms way but you would rather kill a person rather than help him/her?

so i suppose england has never had a kid run with a knife and accidentally fall on it and kill themselves?    I guess we should ban knives.

stun guns have been proven to be more of a liability for women than an assett.  As i said before, pepper spray is not a viable alternative for me.  I do carry bear mace in my car, but I wont be ablet to use it so long as my baby is around.  Also, robber that are repeatedly maced do build a tolerance to it rather fast.  I do believe in an escalation of self defense, which implies killing my assailant is a last resort. i said most of this earlier

QUOTE(Arvarden)

It's also rare that burgulars enter property to cause you harm, I've been burgled atleast 8 times and caught the little buggers in the act, guess what?  They ddin't attack me they wanted to get the hell out of dodge.  I wouldn't want to kill them but I would love a stun gun

I do agree that robbers want to get in and out fast without a challenge.  but, i also have other issues you dont have that make me more vulnerable than you, and also make the burgler more likely to challenge me.  despite that fact, the amazing thing to me is that you have been robbed atleast 8 times, and you still think your not going to be hurt one of these days.  Maybe your an 8th degree blackbelt or something.  Im not an 8th degree blackbelt in case your wondering.

QUOTE(Arvarden)

. . . at the time I didn't care but if I could go back in time to rectify my mistakes i would do without batting an eye lid.

only making an observation - im glad that you clarified

QUOTE(Spency234)

It's really hard to find valid CURRENT data on all of this, but I think this link pretty much takes care of the race card you guys decided to pull.

actually, toronto is somewhat of an anomoly.  it has the lowest crime rate of anywhere in canada as well.  Why does Vancouver, BC have 5X the crime rate that toronto has?  Or Montreal, QC has 3X?
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Also, I didnt really think saying our southern border is butted up to a violent nation, was really playing the race card.  its a matter of fact using shear numbers.  And we do have a massive influx of migration that you quite simply dont have from mexico.  If this is what you were refuting, its not an apples to apples comparison.

[The unProfessional]

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So if you go to a high st store and go on a robbing rampage does that mean you should be shot on sight? Er no so what makes you think you have the right to take someone's life for petty theft?

Of course you're making a dangerous assumption - that the robber is unarmed, or unwilling to use force.  I'd rather the robber dies than wait and see if he'll kill my family.  If you don't want to die, don't break into houses.  It's a simple equation.

"No Rob = No Die"

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It's also rare that burglars enter property to cause you harm, I've been burgled atleast 8 times and caught the little buggers in the act, guess what? They ddin't attack me they wanted to get the hell out of dodge. I wouldn't want to kill them but I would love a stun gun

Are all the robbers in the UK "little buggers"?  sound like harmless teenagers to me.  Not necessarily the case here.

For the record, I don't keep a gun in my house, but I respect the right to do so for individual protection.  I hate rednecks as much as the next guy, but what happens on that fateful day when some armed asshole breaks into your house and would rather kill than fail.


Also, "kid" or not, we all should take responsibility for our actions.  I did stupid shit as a kid, and even got caught a few times.  But I blamed no one but myself and delt with the consequences (granted, it wasn't breaking & entering).

[me_007x]

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Me 007x, Tony Martin shot an unarmed teenager in the back. He was sent to prison because the burglar/s where making there getaway and therefore TM did not use reasonable force, it's all there in black and white and YOU can't change the facts.

I was not trying to change the facts, I was stating them as to how I remembered them, I put in my original statement

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Regarding the Tony Martin case, I think he was technically charged with owning an unlawful shotgun 'cause his licence had been revoked, this then led on to the other charges. It didn't matter that he shot the scum in the back, had he unloaded at point blank in his face the results would well have been the same

So what you are saying is if Tony Martin HAD unloaded in the kids face at point blank range he would have been OK because it was reasonable force.  

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You say your "mates" have knifes next to there bed, don't you think thats a little paranoid considering you have weapons where ever you look in your household?

Yes, I do have other weapons in my house (including a pair of Nunchakus) but they are safely out of harms way. The knife is close to hand where I know it is and can get to it in a hurry.

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I've been burgled atleast 8 times and caught the little buggers in the act, guess what? They ddin't attack me they wanted to get the hell out of dodge. I wouldn't want to kill them but I would love a stun gun

You have been burgled 8 TIMES WTF, buy a burgler alarm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If I'd caught the little bastards then they would have had a free ride in an ambulance (if they were lucky).

I'm going to have a break for a few minutes before this becomes a major rant against one person.      

Can't do it.... must... leave.... keyboard..... no.... must.... stop... typing

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You have house insurance? Well fucking use it before picking up a gun and killing a child.

You do realise there are places in the UK where you CAN'T GET house insurance cause the crime rate is so high.

[Wong Hung Lo]

 

O Canada, we stand unarmed for thee.
God keep our land glorious and gun free!
O Canada, we stand unarmed for thee.

[damam]

QUOTE(Arvarden)

. . .  Touch wood I havn't been attacked yet but if I was I've got a few suprises up my sleave, I have access to certain things you can only dream about

what could that be?
 
Top 10 things that Arvarden could possibly have access t0o that me_007x could only dream of using to protect himself-
10) 9 week old pastries from mom
9) Midichloreans
really really vicious gerbals
7) a really really thick sausage from the butcher
6) Montys Pythons joke that was so funny it caused death
5) Mutant powers (unfortunately Xavier didnt find you first)
4) your able to summon fire balls from your hands like they do in Street Fighter.
3) A girlfriend thats an 8th degree black belt to protect you
2) your letting superman and/or batman bugger you in exchange for protection
1) a gun
so im not a comedian - were all still waiting to know what you could possible have access too???  Are you the local mob connection?  Are you the link between the house of bush and the house of Saud?  Were you the man behind the woodpecker signals?

on a more serious note . . .

@me_007x & @Arvarden & @melon & any other brit that happens to be reading this
ive been reading up on gun control in Britain and would like to know your take on why they decided to start restricting gun ownership in the early 1900's

[damam]

QUOTE(Arvarden)

You seem to know all the stats and facts why don't you tell us?

I find it hilarious that I use stats and facts to back my arguement, and you use emotions - it seems like a role reversal.

QUOTE(Arvarden)

*XBS Exclusive*You don't need a gun to protect yourself, besides if your attacker approached you with a gun there little you can do unless you have a firearm consealed on every body part.

I am again asking for your secret to universal self defense.  Tell us how a 130lb woman can fend off a 225lb rapist.  I know of nothing more effective than a gun.  So please share it with us.

as for my question about british gun control -
I would like to hear someones oppinion that is a part of the culture.  Their appears to be evidence that suggests that gun control was used as a means to supress the masses.  The British govt, fearing a prolitariate uprising similar to what was going on in Russia, started suppressing gun ownership.  Like I said, Im not a part of the culture, consequently I  may not fully understand the decision cylce.

[Spency234]

QUOTE(damam @ Mar 11 2005, 06:13 PM)

actually, toronto is somewhat of an anomoly.  it has the lowest crime rate of anywhere in canada as well.  Why does Vancouver, BC have 5X the crime rate that toronto has?  Or Montreal, QC has 3X?

[damam]

QUOTE(Arvarden)

Stats are not facts and should not portrayed as facts, only idiots use stats to back there argument/s. 

Are you high?  Perhaps you have been sampling some of the drugs from the pharmacy you live on top of.  I guess we should throw out every drug produced in the last half of the 20th century since all of the evidence that they work is based on statistics.  Not to mention that most of modern physics, chemistry, and biology disciplines are also based on statistics.  So I guess by your statement, everything since the inception of quantum physics is basically bunk.  Hey, i have an idea, why dont you go to the Casinos, they have based their entire industry on stats - by your reasoning its been absolute blind luck that they have been taking in money all these years

stats give probabilities for outcomes - I have never portrayed them as anything else.  I have also been candid about the problems I see with certain studies I quote.

[Wong Hung Lo]

QUOTE(Spency234 @ Mar 15 2005, 02:13 PM)

Great job.  That was the biggest cop killing in a CENTURY here in Canada.  How does that prove that giving out guns like hotcakes would have prevented anything.

[Spency234]

QUOTE(Wong Hung Lo @ Mar 15 2005, 02:44 PM)

As for me throwing that back in your face. All I can say is that the truth hurts.

[Arvarden]

[Arvarden]

Daman, scientific stats are done undercontroled conditions and are more reliable than commercial, government "stats".

If you can't grasp that stay away from the crack..

[A Different Kind of Train]

[damam]

QUOTE(Spency234)

Also, it seems to me you are racist against mexicans.  I bet whenever you see one you have your hand firmly planted on that gun of yours "just incase."  PARANOYA.

now whos pulling the race card
  Im not racist against Mexicans.  Or anyone else.  Im making comments on a culture that happens to be prevalent in Mexico.  Their is a difference.  My statement also allows for the possibility that any race could grow up in mexico and be enculturated in the culture that I speak of.  That would be like calling a black person racist against whites because they note that a certain culture that is prevalent in northern Idaho and is dominated by whites is very violent.  The statement is true - but that does not mean that the black people are racist for observing it.  
 
(these threads get so circualar)  taken from nationmaster
Mexico has more homicides than the US
1. Mexico 0.13 per 1000 people  
2. United States 0.04 per 1000 people  
3. Canada 0.01 per 1000 people

Mexico has more gun related homicides than the US
1. Mexico 0.03 per 1000 people  
2. United States 0.02 per 1000 people  
3. Canada 0.00 per 1000 people

You asked how different our cultures could possibly be because we are butted up against you.  My answer is very different because of the other nation we are butted up against.  The US gets influences from all sides, not just the northern border.  Plus, we are a culture all to our own that historically has been more violent than Britains.

Lastly, i really dont live my life in fear clutching my gun.  But i do strongly believe in private home ownership of guns.