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ezraa123

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« Reply #105 on: May 07, 2005, 11:41:00 PM »

Ok, first off...I'm a sheriff's deputy working on the road.  I deal with lots of guns and people who shouldn't even be around guns quite often.  I don't like the thought of every shithead being able to get a gun, point it, and take out a hard working fellow american just because he doesn't want to pay cab fare or needs 100 bucks for his meth addiction.  However, to say that guns have no place except for hunting is idiocy.  The fact is, in todays society, this country or any other, guns will be accessible.  If they can not be purchased, they can easily be made.  As long as there is demand, there will be supply...legal or illegal.  

Our founding fathers had been through oppression, persecution, revolution.  They knew why the second ammendment had to be in there.  Personal ownership of guns is not for hunting.  Yes, it's a benefit and can be used as a tool for this, but the purpose is to protect ourselves, first from criminals, and second from the government if it becomes totalitarian.  I've heard all kinds of nieve idealists say how society would be better and if people didn't have guns, crime would go down.  Unfortunately, history has shown us otherwise.  In many countries around the world, guns are totally banned, some still allow single shot rifles for hunting, but nothing that can be effective home protection.  Austrailia banned most of their guns and the violent crime rate skyrocketed.  Now thugs don't have to worry about the old grandpa putting a hole in them if they break in.  They can just barge in, beat him with whatever, and take what they want.  It's sickening.  Many of our states that have allowed citizens to carry firearms and/or been liberal in issuing concealed weapon permits to people who have not been convicted of a felony or violent crime have lower crime rates.  Michigan just recently changed the CCW laws so that any non criminal without a history of mental illness can take an approved safety/educational course and get a CCW.  Any schmo that has a history of problems can not get one.  I like this.

The problem normally comes when those people who would use the gun for the wrong reasons have one.  Most of the people who screw up with guns that I've run into in my several years in law enforcement (at least 95%) did not have CCWs and were carrying illegally.   Stricter gun laws help nothing, enforcing the ones we have and stiffer sentances for those that violate will.  I know it's barbarric but I'd be all for saying bye bye to the bad guy's hands when he carries illegally and uses the gun for a crime.  When he finally gets out of prison, no more gun problems with him.  Anyway, back to what I was saying; guns are like anything else, good or evil depending on the person using them.  They are good protection for those good people (the majority of americans bye the way), and evil tools for thugs that are already committing the crime anyway.  Taking guns away will definitely escalate the violent crime short term.  It may go down as time goes on, but not until a huge mess.  It will leave those who are weaker in our society (females, elderly, handicapped) unable to defend themselves against shitheads who would victimize them.  It is follly to think police can protect you.  Most of the time, we can respond after the crime is done, investigate, and often catch the criminal.  But, the crime is done, you may be dead or crippled for life and many times the criminal is not caught.  Response time of police can very greatly.  Where I work, we normally have 4 deputies covering an area of about 450 square miles.  If we're lucky we have 6 and normally some are always on calls.  Sometimes it takes 20-25 minutes running code to get to a call.  That's a hell of a lot of time if someone's trying to kill you...especially if they have a gun and you have...a stick.  

As a final thought, many Jews would still be alive today if the gun rights were not stripped away and guns remobed before the nazis started "clensing" their country in their mission of genocide.  

I'm not a gun lover.  I own a few guns, but not a "collection".  I have them because I know they are a necessity to protect my family if needed.  I don't believe in the violent overthrow of our government...yet.  However, if our government ever becomes a totalitarian system that begins systematically eliminating people, I will.  Guns are not REALLY NEEDED until someone tries to take them away.   If you really want to kill someone, you can do it with a fork, nail, ruler...don't need a gun.
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« Reply #106 on: May 09, 2005, 10:13:00 AM »

Yes, but it doesn't explain why taking guns away will escalate violent crimes involving guns.  

The problem with guns that the society as a whole accepts the use of guns.  We hear music (mostly Rap) that gun violence is a way of life.  We watch movies of people killing each others 'inspires' shootings in many high schools.  Monkey see, monkey do.  Unfortunately someone has to tell us that the use of guns is unacceptable.
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« Reply #107 on: May 09, 2005, 11:20:00 AM »

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Most of the people who screw up with guns that I've run into in my several years in law enforcement (at least 95%)

So, my point exactly, if we take away guns from law abiding citizens, how would that help? he just said that 95% of them were illegal anyways, so how would it help exactly? the people commiting the crimes will still have their guns, so crime may not increase, but it certainly wouldnt decrease.
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« Reply #108 on: May 09, 2005, 12:57:00 PM »

And if you take my guns away, I won't be able to fight the government when it gets too powerful. The third amendment is really to protect us from the govt, who we naturally distrust.
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« Reply #109 on: May 09, 2005, 12:57:00 PM »

And if you take my guns away, I won't be able to fight the government when it gets too powerful. The third amendment is really to protect us from the govt, who we naturally distrust.
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« Reply #110 on: May 09, 2005, 03:05:00 PM »

Still, compared to other countries in the world, there are more people getting killed by Guns in the US compared to the other countries in the world.  None of you could explain how can you we get rid of that problem except saying that reducing the amount of guns won't work.
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« Reply #111 on: May 09, 2005, 03:30:00 PM »

right, like in britain, where the police dont even have guns, so that leaves who? the citizens? nope. the police? nope. the bad-guys who want to shoot you and probably aquired their guns illegally anyways? yup.

you cant exactly compare us to other countries altogether anyways, think about places like pakistan or iraq, ive seen 12 yr olds with ak's. now, if you see someone walking down the street in a business suit (ie someone in the us) and you wanted to rob them, there is a pretty good chance that they dont ahve a gun. now, look at other places in the world, would you rob a 12 year old kid holding an ak? if you say yes, your stupid, simply put.

also, in these "other countries" (name a few please, i beleive you, id just like some hard evidence), mabye the people there dont use guns... a knive might work just as well. and on that note, i can go into flea world right now and buy everything from a crossbow to a authentic german wwII knife for about less than $20.
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« Reply #112 on: May 10, 2005, 04:39:00 AM »

QUOTE(Arvarden @ May 10 2005, 08:31 AM)

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« Reply #113 on: May 10, 2005, 07:27:00 AM »

Doctor....
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thewickedjester

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« Reply #114 on: May 10, 2005, 11:30:00 AM »

QUOTE(Arvarden @ May 10 2005, 01:31 AM)
I would aquire a gun and shoot the little fluff in the face.  If someone wish's you harm there is little you can do about it (unless you are Steven Seagal)armed or un armed.
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« Reply #115 on: May 10, 2005, 01:46:00 PM »

Doctor Doctor, Arvarden is retarded, please give him an abortion!
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« Reply #116 on: May 10, 2005, 03:06:00 PM »

QUOTE(Arvarden @ May 10 2005, 08:59 PM)
"Right, so now youve used your 2nd amendment rights to protect yourself. Im honestly not sure if your trying to argue for or against gun rights but either way you kinda proved a point for both sides."
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« Reply #117 on: May 10, 2005, 04:12:00 PM »

QUOTE(Arvarden @ May 10 2005, 02:59 PM)
How did I protect myself?  I shot a 12 year old boy in the face because he was skipping along with his AK.   
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thewickedjester

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« Reply #118 on: May 12, 2005, 11:07:00 AM »

wait, let me get this strait... so by disarming those who get their guns according to the gun laws, that will get rid of the guns that those people who aqquired guns irregardless of laws?

sorry, doesnt make to much sense. i see what your saying, and i kind of agree, but in the end, disarming those who arm themselves legally wont really help with those few who get them illegally



its like saying stoping people from legally immigrating to our country will stop the illegal immigrants
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« Reply #119 on: May 12, 2005, 11:26:00 AM »

and again, i agree with you partly, we would have to start somewhere. i think the issue were on isnt so much gun control, its how to disarm those that wish ill intent upon anyone.

but i dont think disarming those who own guns legally is an answer, even a start to one.

well, at any rate, my just repeating myself, so are you, i dont think disarming those who are armed legally is an answer, you beleive its a start to fixing the problem. i dont beleive either of us will have our ideas changed so there really not much point in discussing it unless someone else brings something up. no offense, i just hate re-iterating
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