Topic: First-person Prisoner Account From Guantanamo Bay (Read 510 times)

melon · « **on:** February 07, 2005, 03:49:00 PM »

it will be interesting to see what responses are to this and how it will be twisted to try and save face. I supose the old chestnut about

anti-America or pro-America surely no-one can defend this.

Tony42077 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 07, 2005, 04:37:00 PM »

You're right, we should believe every thing that he says. If he says that he isn't a terrorist, then we should believe him, he would have no reason to lie. He would have no possible reason to stir up anti-American sentiment against the evil regime of the United States. These European "publications" have never tried to highlight all of the historic injustices that the hated American government has hoist upon the world. They certainly don't have an agenda, just quality "journalism". How long will it take for the rest of the world to realize that the US is responsible for most of the worlds problems.

melon · « **Reply #2 on:** February 07, 2005, 04:56:00 PM »

the US has done good and bad, but you are talking about probably the most respected British newspaper. This is not some cheap tabloid like the Scum or the Star.

Tony42077 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 07, 2005, 05:15:00 PM »

QUOTE(melon @ Feb 8 2005, 12:02 AM)

the US has done good and bad, but you are talking about probably the most respected British newspaper. This is not some cheap tabloid like the Scum or the Star.

melon · « **Reply #4 on:** February 07, 2005, 05:30:00 PM »

IBM has revolutionised business' throughout the world.
The invention of the PC for starters which everyone reading this is using (those using linkbots, the xbox is fundamentaly a pc).

Henry Ford invented the production line.

Steinbeck was a great author. Of mice and men and the grapes of wrath are two of my all time favourite books.

Your country has done good recently helping out in the former Yugoslavia when European countries stood and pretty much done nothing.

This is not about me hating or kissing the arse of America, this thread is about the article.

damam · « **Reply #5 on:** February 07, 2005, 05:44:00 PM »

Its always sad when the wrong person gets put in jail. im sure it happens in britain too. But that doesnt mean we abondon the system. it only means that we try and get more careful with what were doing. the mere fact that he and many others have been released shows that that is happening.

the enemy combatants at guantanomo is a situation that i am uncomfortable with. but I am not sure what else to do. assuming, for one second, that they are all guilty (and I do believe that the vast majority of them are) of attempting, in the act of planning, or have done acts of terrorism what would you do with them? we cant release them because they just go back to their holy war.

Tony42077 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 07, 2005, 05:48:00 PM »

QUOTE(melon @ Feb 8 2005, 12:36 AM)

IBM has revolutionised business' throughout the world.

melon · « **Reply #7 on:** February 07, 2005, 05:50:00 PM »

you are skipping over the torture part which makes up most of the article.

the geneva convention exists for a reason.
and no comments about those held not being entitled to protection under it.

also what are these people actuallt guilty of?
i know its fighting against america/uk troops but that cant be it???

pepsik · « **Reply #8 on:** February 07, 2005, 06:16:00 PM »

I hate our actions there, and I hate the responses we give to the international community, but here is the official US stance on the situation.

The prisoners of guantamo bay are enemy combatants of an enemy that holds no flag and reside in no nation, the genevea convention applies to nations that uphold the rules and regulations of war drawn up by the geneva conventions and to the soldiers wearing these nation's flag and are captured in battle. Since these combatants do not represent any country, they have no rights under the geneva convention.

The treatment is inhumane, and the investigation behind the treatment has been halted. The president eloquently put it " the american people had a choice to approve our actions and if what we are doing for america is right, and the american people spoke out on election day...."

damam · « **Reply #9 on:** February 07, 2005, 06:32:00 PM »

QUOTE(melon @ Feb 7 2005, 12:56 PM)

you are skipping over the torture part which makes up most of the article.

the geneva convention exists for a reason.
and no comments about those held not being entitled to protection under it.

also what are these people actuallt guilty of?
i know its fighting against america/uk troops but that cant be it???

Like I said - the enemy combatants at guantanomo is a situation that i am uncomfortable with

i dont like the extreme measure to which prisoners who clearly having nothing left to offer us are being treated. On the other hand, we cant just let them go. The fact that they have no country for which they fight for, only an ideology really complicates things a lot.

Most of the prisoners are their for attempting, in the act of planning, or have already done acts of terrorism. The guy in article was suspected of planning an act of terrorism against Israel.

My_Brain_is_on_Fire · « **Reply #10 on:** February 07, 2005, 07:20:00 PM »

He deserved it. Everything happens for a reason.

melon · « **Reply #11 on:** February 08, 2005, 01:22:00 PM »

I do see your points but the amount of hatred this has created in Muslim countries is enormous. It would be better to relesase the prisoners and stop them being held up as martys (i know there not dead). At the moment they are a tool to be used to recruit more "terrorists".

You have to ask if it would be worth letting them go to stop more people join up with the extremists.

Most of these men if released would not fight again because of the torture they have gone through. They are not mentally or physically up to it.
It would help the civillians in Iraq and all the middle east countries look on America a little less Disdainfully.

pepsik · « **Reply #12 on:** February 08, 2005, 01:34:00 PM »

Don't think it will work melon. The captured will mostly likely return to fighting, they have sworn their lives to fight as a mujahdeen, the detention will make their determination even stronger, and a released prisoner might even be worse than Bin Laden, since he now has the proper motivation.

Unfortunatly those prisoners will be there for a long time. Either they leave dead, or mentally distraught, no inbetween's or you might end up with a worse case scenario.

damam · « **Reply #13 on:** February 08, 2005, 01:54:00 PM »

I cant find the article, but I know that I read that some prisoners that were released last year that were deemed as not a threat did return to the Jihad.

I agree with Pepsik-
From reading the article I think that guy had it exactly right - they wanted him to go crazy. A crazy person is the only person they can safely release. If they die their a martyr. If they live and are not crazy they are given a g-d like status. Neither are acceptable.

Its an extremely unfortunate situation. I wouldnt feel nearly as bad if they were being treated like a normal POW's under geneva convention rules. Hopefully in time it will change. But it is unlikely under Bush.

My_Brain_is_on_Fire · « **Reply #14 on:** February 08, 2005, 03:06:00 PM »

They aren't POWs, so why does it matter.

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