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[Baner]

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with weird morals impossible to apply today

Thank you for showing me why are world is the way it is today. When morals like "Love Thy Nieghbor" and "Thall shall not kill" are wierd, it makes for a fun an exciting time everday!

I've seen people bash relgion because it promotes people to stand infront of Walmart with a bell, only saying a hearty hello during the time of festive seasons, collecting money for the less fortunate. I've seen people bash religion, cause it caused the Crusades, and the OKC bombing, but I've yet to see any of those bashers embrace any religion for it's ability to turn a mans world around, and face him in the right direction, the ability for religion to unite people to give to a good cause, to fund organizations who research new scientific ways to cure new and old diseases. You call us, the common religious man, barbaric because we have hope for an afterlife, and care for our fellow man, I call you ignorant.

[pingrr]

Quotes fom the Bible, Quran, exc. should not be taken so literally.  They were both written a very long time ago by people who had very different understanding and view of the world.

These religous books are often represented in different ways to push a specific agenda.

[Tony42077]

QUOTE(Baner @ Feb 1 2005, 06:43 PM)

When will people learn that the Bible isn't meant to be taken in  ocmpletely literal sence?

[pepsik]

QUOTE(Baner)

Thank you for showing me why are world is the way it is today. When morals like "Love Thy Nieghbor" and "Thall shall not kill" are wierd, it makes for a fun an exciting time everday!

Cheers for that  

I'm fed up of xyz telling me I'm damned when they are fucktwits themselves. Mormons are a bit of a peeve because these people tried to change my life and tell me I was going to hell and this and that and then I find out that they have a biased and racists religion based upon cult mentality. Other than Mormons, I have no problems with believeing what you believe as long as you don't try and cram it down my throat.

[gronne]

QUOTE(Baner @ Feb 1 2005, 06:43 PM)

When will people learn that the Bible isn't meant to be taken in  ocmpletely literal

[Tony42077]

QUOTE(PrintNameHere @ Jan 28 2005, 03:30 AM)

Here are some quotes from your "perfect" Bible, pig.

[Tony42077]

QUOTE(PrintNameHere @ Feb 2 2005, 06:11 PM)

1. No one knows for sure what happened on September 11th, 2001. I am not saying it is a world wide Illuminati conspiricy, but f*uck. It is EXTREMELY hard to believe that terrorists who failed their pilot test MISERABLY flew a plain only meters from the ground for quite a distance and crashed into the side of the Pentagon. Even worse, it is hard to believe there is only one video of the incident happening, which coicedently has 11 frames and is extremely blocky. If my Canadian school has cameras all over the perimiter, I am sure the Pentagon does aswell.

[My_Brain_is_on_Fire]

This guy is on fire.

[Baner]

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"Most" of all morals in the bible(and other religions) are good morals. But the fact is that most twist them anyway. Thou shall not steal... Say that to all christian executive chairmans making $20 million when there's a homeless person just around the corner. That is stealing no matter how you twist it. Or thou shall not kill.. The mafia bosses were/are catholics. And most people in USA are christians yet you have incredibly many death-shootings. What I'm saying is that why try to live by others morals when no one really cares about them anyway? More people than ever today are cheating their partner. Not that I care but the bible does. Sure I have my own morals, (that are not against the law) but I know I can follow them. I'm always true to myself. But if the bible says the things printmynamehere quoted no one could consider that good morals.

That arguement has alot of holes in it, a holy Arguement! haha! Sleep deprevation is hell....

I'm sure the bum on the corner hasn't done a thing in the years of him living on the streets to even begin to better himself, while the executive has atleast a GED(high school deploma). I don't see the excutive reaching in the poor man's pocket, taking that last penny he has, nor do I see the poor man doing anything to double what little asset he has.
Mafia bosses claim to be catholics, just like I can claim to be asain, but I sure as hell ain't. They are not cathoilic by faith, just by heritage.
You're right, many people in the US claim to be Chrisitans, some are good, and some are bad. Breaking one of the Ten Comandments shows you re not a true Christian, and yes, that includes shooting people. It's hard to say who is a good Christian, and who isn't. I guess that's left up to the eye of the beholder and the Man himself.
As for the type in bold above, you have find translations in the Quran that tells it's followers to eliminate all infidels, and then find the same verse translated to say that the infidels should be embraced. No one is there to tell you what the Bible says, that's why the Reformation of Chriitanity occured. Pastors, Clergy men, and whoever ele you look to can show you different perspectives to the word, but only you can truely find the meanings in each and every pasage of the Bible.
Gronne, I would recommend reading the Bible. I'm not asking you to turn into a Christian, or even believe in Faith, I just would like you to understand what were are talking about. It's hard to argue a point when you have no knowledge on the subject, but a few passages someone with the same views as you has posted.

I'll admit that religion can cause people to do odd and bad things, but if they truely followed the word, then they would see thier acts compleltely go against the teachings of the Bible. The Crusades were fought to spread the word of God, but it wasn't part of religion, it was part of man's actions to further religion. Not every "Bible nut" is the same, some of us have sense.

[My_Brain_is_on_Fire]

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As for the famous "struggle for existence," so far it seems to me to be asserted rather than proved. It occurs, but as an exception; the total appearance of life is not the extremity, not starvation, but rather riches, profusion, even absurd squandering--and where there is struggle, it is a struggle for power. One should not mistake Malthus for nature.
   Assuming, however, that there is such a struggle for existence--and, indeed, it occurs--its result is unfortunately the opposite of what Darwin's school desires, and of what one might perhaps desire with them--namely, in favor of the strong, the privileged, the fortunate exceptions. The species do not grow in perfection: the weak prevail over the strong again and again, for they are the great majority--and they are also more intelligent. Darwin forgot the spirit (that is English!); the weak have more spirit. One must need spirit to acquire spirit; one loses it when one no longer needs it. Whoever has strength dispenses with the spirit ("Let it go!" they think in Germany today; "the Reich must still remain to us"). It will be noted that by "spirit" I mean care, patience, cunning, simulation, great self-control, and everything that is mimicry (the latter includes a great deal of so-called virtue).

[gronne]

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And gronne, many Christians have a problem with you comparing them to mafia bosses that obviously don't follow the morals of Christianity. People can say that they are Christians all they want, but actions speak louder than words. Just because the majority of the US population is Christian, doesn't mean that all of these murders that you talk about are committed by Christians. In fact I would say that only a small small pecentage are committed by practicing Christians.

Thank you. This is what I'm talking about. You can acknowledge there are "false" christians, yet you can accuse Islam for being an evil religion(maybe not you, I don't know). Islam is no worse than christianity, it's the terrorists that misinterpret the Quran. Real muslims don't acknowledge the terrorists to be muslims.

And I believe you, most are probably not practicing christians, but they will ask for repentance from the same God as you, anyway.

I can tell you that my society where we have a very small amount of religious people we have less crime than most other places. So religions are definitely not helping people from violence.

Baner: What's the bum's options to come back to society?
Another thing, making big money is for weak people, nothing else.

[Tony42077]

QUOTE(Baner @ Feb 3 2005, 02:42 AM)

Breaking one of the Ten Comandments shows you re not a true Christian, and yes, that includes shooting people. It's hard to say who is a good Christian, and who isn't. I guess that's left up to the eye of the beholder and the Man himself.

[thomes08]

QUOTE(Tony42077 @ Feb 3 2005, 06:10 PM)

On the contrary, everyone sins... EVERYONE, even the Pope. The sign of a good Christian is that they are truly sorry for what they have done, and try to atone for their sin. Only then can they be forgiven.

[gronne]

QUOTE(Tony42077 @ Feb 3 2005, 06:10 PM)

On the contrary, everyone sins... EVERYONE, even the Pope. The sign of a good Christian is that they are truly sorry for what they have done, and try to atone for their sin. Only then can they be forgiven.

[Tony42077]

QUOTE(gronne @ Feb 3 2005, 09:21 AM)

And I believe you, most are probably not practicing christians, but they will ask for repentance from the same God as you, anyway.