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[pepsik]

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/...7/ln/ln11p.html

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Sybil Arum's eighth-grade granddaughter came home this week worried that she was on the verge of being drafted by the military and sent off to war.

The reason for her fear was the Department of Education's annual privacy notice, which says contact information for secondary students as young as sixth-graders may be released to military recruiters unless the student, parent or legal guardian requests otherwise.

I like how this administartion writes it's legislation, they leave enough open holes to be able to draft children if the need was ever to arrise.

[nemt]

It's not like the government knows people's names and addresses anyway.  Everyone gets sign up crap in the mail when he/she turns eighteen...how that can be confused with a draft is beyond me.  The only US policy with any possible similarity to a draft is the requirement for males to register with selective service...which is something Bill Clinton (a draft dodger) signed into law.

You're a moron for making this topic...and I hope a bus hits you on your way home from high school.

[FektionFekler]

 Why are you so scared of a draft?

[nemt]

To be honest, I hadn't noticed it was Sybil Arum's granddaughter.

[pepsik]

My main concern is that it is unecessary, yet it is mandatory. Why?

Why are the laws written with so many gaps? Why not just write the laws as they are meant to be intended and applied? I guess sheep never question they just graze in the grass.

Whats wrong nemt, you want a bus to do what you can't physically do? High School was many years ago....

This post has been edited by pepsik: Dec 21 2004, 11:02 PM

[Ween311]

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Parents who do not want their children's personal and contact information included in the DOE directory or given to military recruiters may complete a "Non-Disclosure of Directory Information and/or Release of Information to Military Recruiters" form, which is sent home with students each year.

The students and parents are given the choice whether they want the information released.  I honestly don't see what the big deal is, as the law currently advises that all males have to register for selective service at age 18 anyway.  If you take the ASVAB test in high school, those test scores along with your personal information are given to military recruiters whether you want them to or not.  This doesn't open up any laws to reinstate a draft, it just gives recruiters more information about who they want to recruit. Just like college coaches want to know your stats from the sports you played in school.  The difference with that is that with the college recruiters, they are not required to tell you if they are collecting information on you or not.  Not yet anyway.

[bluedeath]

QUOTE(Ween311 @ Dec 22 2004, 03:21 AM)

The students and parents are given the choice whether they want the information released.  I honestly don't see what the big deal is, as the law currently advises that all males have to register for selective service at age 18 anyway.  If you take the ASVAB test in high school, those test scores along with your personal information are given to military recruiters whether you want them to or not.  This doesn't open up any laws to reinstate a draft, it just gives recruiters more information about who they want to recruit. Just like college coaches want to know your stats from the sports you played in school.  The difference with that is that with the college recruiters, they are not required to tell you if they are collecting information on you or not.  Not yet anyway.

No one is forced to take the ASVAB (really just an assessment of your status in the animal kingdom ..Are you a biped mammal?).  

Let me give you an overview of NCLB and it's true purpose.  The idealistic goal of NCLB is to streamline and consolidate each level of federal government data collection for state/district educational data.  To reinforce NCLB they have added in lofty goals for state assessment progress through AYP etc.  We see that these goals thrown at a state force schools and districts to cheat and fail (failure is the underlying goal here) check out the link Texas is cheating.  The fear of NCLB acting as a skewed form of Big Brother is unfounded at this time.
Once we read between the lines we find that NCLB is nothing more than an unfunded mandate that forces states to start registering their students in student level information management systems.  For instance PBDMI calls for extremely detailed data on student subpopulations.  The collection itself implies that a state must collect detailed student level data which leaves only one option.  The State must track a students progress every time they take a test.  Since all demographic information is required you would end up with state level databases that contain extremely accurate student-level data from where a student lives to how well they scored on their assessments etc. etc.  This type of accuracy requires state governments to be effecient.  Since our system of government is not designed for efficiency why would we expect them to be able to run a series of programs that could only be accomplished by a streamlined corporation.  This failure is what the federal government wants.  We spend tons of money on education related programs and it disappears into the abyss of state level bureacracy.  The only option is to hold them to a standard that we know they cannot meet and let them fail publicly.  This leads into the true goal of NCLB. Privatization is the ultimate goal (as it should be) of NCLB.  If anyone doubts that education will not be run by large corporations in the near future then they need to look at the growing popularity of charter schools.  Many of these charter schools are run by corporations.

[SKoT]

there are alot of uneeded but required stuff. Try going to best buy and not giving them your address/name even if you pay cash. I dont see threads about that anywhere

[pepsik]

Sorry, shit like this pisses me off because I work for a bureacracy. There is always required, but unecessary paperwork. It's up to the legistalors to make the laws efficient to cut down on the red tape. As I see a trend of this not occuring I feel it is in my best efforts to bring this kindof legistlation to the masses.

It is very frustrating to have the left hand do something, while the right hand is left in the dark. Government efficiency used to be a reform in Bush Sr's government and there was a bit of reform work done during the Clinton era. I just don't understand how these slip ups in legistaltion make it passed the house and the senate. Is it wrong to point out the red tape? Or should we just let it pile up until another administration cleans up the mistakes, costing more money and more time?(special review comitees, audits, interviews....trust me it's a real pain)

@skot: I went to best buy today, and they have never asked me for demographic information. If they did I'd ask them to get a warrant :lol:

[FektionFekler]

QUOTE(pepsik @ Dec 22 2004, 11:22 PM)

@skot: I went to best buy today, and they have never asked me for demographic information. If they did I'd ask them to get a warrant :lol:

You're such a rebel. As for the, "how does this sneak past the house and senate" comment, read up a little on "riders". That kind of shit happens all the time.

[SKoT]

no way lol. they asked me and I said no and they said ok bye and I walked out the door.

then i came back the next day and bought it. they wouldnt sell it to me unless.

[mrchester]

They want to information so they can send you nice little letters, wanting you to join, when you get 17. How would this be used for a draft? If we had a draft they'd just look into social security databases or something.

[thepissedoffman]

QUOTE(SKoT @ Dec 22 2004, 05:11 PM)

no way lol. they asked me and I said no and they said ok bye and I walked out the door.

then i came back the next day and bought it. they wouldnt sell it to me unless.

Just lie to them.

I tell them I live at:

666 Hell st.
Salem VA 42069

They tend to leave me alone after that.

[SKoT]

QUOTE(thepissedoffman @ Jan 4 2005, 10:53 PM)

Just lie to them.

I tell them I live at:

666 Hell st.
Salem VA 42069

They tend to leave me alone after that.

because they dont want to deal with you  

This post has been edited by SKoT: Jan 4 2005, 11:27 PM