Topic: Conservative Trend In America (Read 584 times)

tupac · « **Reply #45 on:** November 30, 2004, 07:10:00 PM »

i can understand what ur saying, but natural doesnt always mean healthier...nature has a lot of power, and there are drugs u can grow in your backyard that will send u into a different world, much, much "worse" than acid...and also, i know about xtc and it is harmful longterm, the holes in your brain are called olney's lesions and they happen with xtc, and disassociatives like dxm and ketamine, but again, only if u abuse them......u have ur facts wrong in a few places, want a drug more addictive than cocaine? tobacco, and then comes opium based stuff, morphine, heroin.....when i think back, i laugh at being told "cigarrettes are more ADDICTIVE as cocaine"..i like to think of it as cocaines only as addictive as cigarettes, ive tried both, and i really dont think theyre that addictive..but i guess its different for everyone......and alcohol isnt the leading killer, its 2nd behinf tobacco, then 2nd hand smoke, and then heroin and cocaine and aspirin or something....aspirin kills as many people as cocaine or heroin does on an average year, about 2000. tobacco kills hundreds of thousands and alcohol almost 100000(im doing a paper on this btw), again, drugs arent as harmful as theyd like us to believe, all we ever heard in school was drugs will kill you, make you stupid, unhealthy, blah blah blah and it just isnt true....and finally i dont see how u can be against the legalization of synthetic drugs if u use them, what would happen if u got caught and thrown in jail for years? they can do that with hard drugs, easily. i dont think ur a bad person i dont think i am either, but we could be put in jail for something we chose to do, thast wrong...if ur gonna keep em illegal; at least decriminalize them, which would help drug org. grow, but its better than locking up good people..........one last thing, u look at a murderer, a rapist, and a thief, and for every single case i could look at that person and say why they belong in jail...u killed someone, u raped soemone, u stole.....but what would be the logic for someone going to jail for drugs? think about...u belong in jail because......u use drugs? it doesnt make sense, and its ruining perfectly good peoples lives.....

edit: the racist bastard part referred to the original prohibition on drugs like opium and cocaine, which were definitely fuled by racism...chinks smoked theyre opium and everyone wanted them gone, and the negros had there coke....

EverythingButAnAnswer · « **Reply #46 on:** November 30, 2004, 07:32:00 PM »

Just remember you aren't the one in control.

Sorry just had to add, how many more people have access to aspirin than cocaine? Quite a few I would presume.

Your figures mean nothing. It's like the age old comparison between automobile and plane accidents to help people overcome their fear of the flying.

bluedeath · « **Reply #47 on:** November 30, 2004, 08:15:00 PM »

Just a couple of thoughts.

LSD may seem to be rather harmless but it can cause chromosome damage. The area affected is random and completely unpredictable. Basically this means that anything can happen.

EX causes hemorrhaging in the brain. If you are stupid enough to take EX knowing this then you deserve whatever you get.

Whenever I think prohibition I think money. Every Cartel in the world would pay any amount of money to keep certain drugs illegal or make them illegal if they are not already. Especially opiates and cocoa derivatives.

tupac · « **Reply #48 on:** November 30, 2004, 09:37:00 PM »

lol, i recently read about chromosome damage from lsd and it doesnt...drugs like xtc do and xtc not "ex" lol, maybe x, only put holes in ur brain and damage ur chromosomes if u do a ton of em....which i dont....

and for the other post, i was talking about the illegalization of cocaine...which originated because of "coked up" blacks, at least thats what ive read, and it makes since, the same happened to the chinese as i said.....and my stats comparing cocaine and heroin deaths to aspirin was meant to show how little of a "problem" these drugs r, they r probably considered the 2 hardest drugs, and they kill a very small percentage of people...even with all drugs combined (and cocaine and heroin make up most of this) there are roughly 5000 ods a year, with 40 million users....when u look at the facts ull see tobacco and alcohol r the real killers in the US, drugs r not killing people left and right....im hoping to become a doctor in pharmacy, "my" figures, which are really govt figures (the truth is out there open ur eyes), and do u think the age old car/plane stat is a myth too? its as real as what im saying...planes r safer, and drugs r safe when used responsibly(and plz dont come back at this saying "well not everyone is like u, not everyone is responsible blah blah" stfu, if ur an adult, u have responsibilities, deal with it, ur not a fuckin kid anymore that cant make decisions for urself), people r stupid...

EverythingButAnAnswer · « **Reply #49 on:** November 30, 2004, 09:50:00 PM »

tupac · « **Reply #50 on:** November 30, 2004, 10:10:00 PM »

im sayign drugs are not an epidemic in America, and they wouldnt be even if they were legal...and the cars/planes argument is about percentage, so no that doesnt apply, whether more people drives cars or not.....and i the foolish one? if u r an adult and cannot make responsible decisions thats not my fault, of course there are people out there like that, but that is..say it with me....their problem...the govt cant protect everyone from everything all the time....is that what u want, the govt to hold your hand throughout life so u dont hurt urself? oh u poor baby, make sure u dont drink gasoline or antifreeze, and wear ur seatbelt, and dont smoke, and dont drink, and dont drive cars, and dont live...u could get hurt...u sound like the child...

EverythingButAnAnswer · « **Reply #51 on:** November 30, 2004, 10:56:00 PM »

I'm fine with you "living" as long as it doesn't endanger the lives of others.

bluedeath · « **Reply #52 on:** November 30, 2004, 11:08:00 PM »

EverythingButAnAnswer · « **Reply #53 on:** November 30, 2004, 11:48:00 PM »

tupac · « **Reply #54 on:** December 01, 2004, 12:08:00 AM »

tupac · « **Reply #55 on:** December 01, 2004, 12:15:00 AM »

bluedeath · « **Reply #56 on:** December 01, 2004, 07:36:00 AM »

bluedeath · « **Reply #57 on:** December 01, 2004, 08:31:00 AM »

Baner · « **Reply #58 on:** December 01, 2004, 11:53:00 AM »

) I don't see a point in cigs, theirs no health benefits, the buzz they do give you is weak, and you can't seem to get it again after smoking 3-4 cigs in your life. They're a waste. As for the synthetic drugs, I know the bad things that can happen from them, and use them as responsibaly as I can, I nor the government can trust others to do the same. Sure, alcohol is legal, but alcohol has a hill you have to go up before you can get shit faced, while many drugs take you striaght to the top, and have no problem dropping you all the way to the bottom when your done.
I do agree that natural drugs do have many bad side effects, but they take time to develop, while one high on a synthetic can fuck you over.
I know, the probability of this happening isn't bad, but the probability of a synthetic screwing you over vs natural drugs, is far worse.

I've done ice (in my eyes, por mans coke) and never had a craving for it again, thank god. Saem with cigs, I often use them as after smokes, but never have a need to take a puff. I can be in a room of a thousand smokers, and not feel the need. It affects people different, and my experience hasn't shown me any different, so I'm just basing what I say on what I've seen(ice went big around these parts, worse than cigs, that's bad...).

pepsik · « **Reply #59 on:** December 01, 2004, 02:19:00 PM »

LSD after the initial dose is fused with the individuals spinal fluid, it never exits your system ever. Frequent users will eventually trip out(paranoid schizophrenia) from the chemical imbalance caused from the drug.

Cocaine eats away at the cartildge and mucus membrane of the individual after the first dose, frequent users look at psychological changes(bi-polar disorder, anxiety) along with chronic sinusitis(infection of the muscous membranes) and the loss of the bony structure within the nose. Cardiac problems like ischemia and cardiomyopathy can occur because of the drugs rapid absorption in the blood stream.

Meth is just plain bad, it's a drug cocktail of everything that gives you a buzz at a local pharmacy, the medication is not measured it's just cooked together in recipes that vary in every dose. The individual quickly develops schizophrenia or bi-polar mood disorder. The toxicity from the cocktails usually leaves the individual with various medical conditions that can range from coronary to hepatological(liver) to renal(kidney).

Heroin is bad becuase your liver just can't handle that stuff, people deteriorate in a matter of months. 6 months of abuse on this drug will leave the individual with irreversable liver damage that usually requires a liver transplant, not to mention the fact that heroin addiction is only treated with methadone addiction.

MJ should be legal but the racial scares of the 1920's known as "Reefer Madness" caused the gov't to ban the substance based on assumptions that black males get 10x the strength of a normal person when on the drug which is just superstition. The main corporate opponents of the legalization are the alcohol industry, the tabacco industry (people only smoke cigs when they can't get high IMO) and the cotton industry(Hemp is cheaper to produce and it's plants produce more canvas fibres that are more durable than cotton).

Synthetics = bad news physically and mentally.
Natural Drugs = No known cases of overdose.

If your going to study pharmacology then you will be schooled on synthetics during toxicology and bio-chemistry courses.

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