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[FektionFekler]

[tupac]

ok, that was dumb lol, but still u ignore the points im bringing up and laugh...because u cant make any valid points. id like to hear ur view on all this and response to my last post and the reasoning behind u believing our founding fathers were wrong....

[FektionFekler]

Also I laugh simply because I find your pro drug platform amusing.

[tupac]

QUOTE (FektionFekler @ Dec 6 2004, 09:06 AM)

They weren't talking about drugs. Drugs aren't essential to a productive society. On a side note, think of books as psychedelics, they both help to expand your mind. Also I laugh simply because I find your pro drug platform amusing.

you really r a fool, what do u think they were talking about? of course they were talking about drugs. they were talking about guns, alcohol, cigarretes, drugs and anything else that could be illegalized. u really cant be serious, right?  "On a side note, think of books as psychedelics, they both help to expand your mind." what is that supposed to mean? thats a reason i use psychedelics, thats a reason to use drugs. when jefferson said "taking away liberty for order" he was most definitely talking about things like drugs, because as an American it is our right to use them. When Lincoln basically said "prohibition is unAmerican" he was also talking, in part, about drugs, because he was talking about all prohibition....admit it, u cant counter these statements, this is what america stands for, and laughing at them is laughing at america. and, on a side note, i laugh at u simply because of how ignorant and stupid u and your beliefs our, and how little they have to do with what u think rather than what uve been told....i laugh at all Americans who think this way, but at the same time its saddening that the ignorance and outright stupidity of the majority is valued more than the intelligence of the few....oh, and again, u didnt make a single point, try again.

[Baner]

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He btw resemble incredibly a lot to Everythingbutananswer, leaving me think he's made multiple accounts. He's the worst bigot I've EVER seen, and I've met Nemt several times.

And I thought I was alone.

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im sorry all that happened andrew, but u r the minority...for most, stuff like that doesnt happen. also, u blame all of that on drugs, i do not. one, ur father's friend must have REALLY been tripping hard to stab someone to death

First off, when you turn a blind eye to the truth, it does seem like people affected by the truth are a minority. You won't hear stories like this on the news, cause it makes the government look bad. The fact that a drug that is suppose to be banned, has caused death, doesn't look good for the people that are suppose to be enforcing these laws.
Secondly, that drug is designed to make you trip, that's why people take it. To say that he must have been REALLY tripping is just wrong. It's stupid to blame the drug for causing the stabbing because the drug worked "too well".

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your family abused drugs, and, as with anything that powerful, if you abuse it it will destroy u.

I'm not sure how you can correct someone who you've never met, but nevermind that.
As of right now, It's harder for the masses of people to abuse drugs. For the most part, people are scared of hard drugs, and these drugs aren't readily available to them 24 hours a day. Once drugs become legal, every convienent store is going to be carrying baggies of everything from herb to coke, and any everday Joe can walk in and buy some, anytime of the day. You say drug use isn't bad unless it's abused, and I say drug abuse will, considering the facts, raise after legalization. So using the trasitive property of equalities (how nerdy...), then drug use will be bad.

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Deaths per user: Alcohol = 100,000/140,000,000 = .07 % or 70 per 100,000 Cocaine = 1,000/ 12,200,000 = .008 % or 8 per 100,000 Deaths per abuser: Alcohol = 100,000/18,000,000 = .56 % or 56 per 10,000 Cocaine = 1,000/ 250,000 = .40 % or 40 per, 10

Look at the scale of users, 18,000,000 alcohol abusers to 250,000. You need to realize that alochol(with the aid of it being legal) is alot more wide spread, you can find it everywhere from your house, to restaurants, to bars, and even amusement parks. You can't believe that all these places can server alcohol, and no one is goign to drive home under the influence... You won't find many people now using drugs away form thier home, or another safe enviroment. Many people won't use drugs while at a restaurant, or most other public places, cause it's not illegal. Therefore, they do it in a more private place.

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u act like people who use drugs are just so evil that they will snap at any moment and go on a killing rampage, if u truly belive that either uve neevr tried these drugs or uve been brainwashed.

I act quite different, I don't believe that people who use drugs are evil, because I'm a drug user. I believe what unPro was saying, cause I've tried many drugs, and have been thru bad trips with them. I'm in no way violent in nature when I'm sober, so that carries over when I'm under the influence, but I didn't have much control of myself when I was using these drugs, and luckily didn't hurt anyone in the process.

[tupac]

yes, i agree that drug abuse will raise if all is legalized, but only for a while...controversy will always spark increased use, just like it did when they were illegalized, but addiction rates per users will rarely change...so ull probably have more abusers, but only because there are more users...now, i guess that looks bad, but my point is still about rights, all these stats about death, crime, etc dont really matter to me, as bad as that my sound....and trust me, theres a big difference between tripping and REALLY tipping, and if uve REALLy tripped hard on anything u know what i mean.....and what u said about cocaine is lower than alcohol because it is used more privately, first of im not sure if those stats are from ods and each one, in which case what u said wouldnt apply, but even if they include indirect deaths, i think a fairly large amount of cocaine users drive while under the influence....again, this is only from personal experience, but i dont have a problem driving after using some coke, ive done it many times, it really doesnt affect it too much unless ur really tweaking out....and i think more peolpe dont care cuz even if theyre pulled over(like i have been once...very very scary btw, just turned 18 and my friend had 14 pills of xtc on him and it was like 2am) u can swallow the bag and search thru ur shit lol, again i unfortunately had to do that...but hey, at least i found it, though it was a little off-white, gotta tie the bag tighter next time lolol

[FektionFekler]

[tupac]

edit: oh and congrats, i think thats your 100th post without making a valid argument!!!!! hurray! cheers to u  

[FektionFekler]

. Read Brave New World and 1984, or if you are too lazy to read you could try watching Equilibrium. Does a nice job of showing how the government manipulates the population through drugs and is able to more easily control them.

[tupac]

if the govt wanted to manipulate people USING drugs they would make them legal....heres some good books for u to read: "PHIKAL: A chemical love story, TIHKAL the continuation, and especially, "Aint nobody's business if u do: the absurdity of consensual crimes in our free country." oh and the third expanded edition of Psychedelics Encyclopedia, all very good books thatll i finish sometime.

[FektionFekler]

QUOTE (tupac @ Dec 6 2004, 10:01 PM)

if the govt wanted to manipulate people USING drugs they would make them legal

My point exactly, which is what I would like to avoid.

[tupac]

ur point exactly lol, no.....the govt doesnt manipulate people using drugs, they manipulate people by not allowing them to use them.....if ur "point", again lol, was true, then drugs would be legal, but they are not, so your point is not.

[FektionFekler]

Sigh.

[tupac]

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