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tupac

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« Reply #105 on: December 05, 2004, 10:04:00 AM »

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« Reply #106 on: December 05, 2004, 10:09:00 AM »

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« Reply #107 on: December 05, 2004, 12:24:00 PM »

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« Reply #108 on: December 05, 2004, 04:09:00 PM »

QUOTE (pegasys @ Dec 5 2004, 09:27 PM)
Ok, I concede, we should make sure he dosn't reproduce.  We can't have a bunch of Fection's running around now can we?  ph34r.gif

I usually try to leave out insulting other people as it ALWAYS destroys anything worth of debate, but FektionFekler truly asks for it. After having a "debate" with this moron on the other thread, I've come to the conclusion that some people only want meaningless fights on the forum.

He btw resemble incredibly a lot to Everythingbutananswer, leaving me think he's made multiple accounts. He's the worst bigot I've EVER seen, and I've met Nemt several times.
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« Reply #109 on: December 05, 2004, 07:17:00 PM »

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my point exactly........u sir, should be shot in face.
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« Reply #110 on: December 05, 2004, 08:15:00 PM »

QUOTE (tupac @ Dec 6 2004, 04:20 AM)
my point exactly........u sir, should be shot in face.

Thank God for the internet.
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« Reply #111 on: December 05, 2004, 08:17:00 PM »

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« Reply #112 on: December 05, 2004, 08:19:00 PM »

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tupac

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« Reply #113 on: December 05, 2004, 09:09:00 PM »

dont u mean partisan politicians are right? since they dont care as muhc about republicans or democrats views but whats best for our nation...and i disagree, i dont belive these things because they are liberal, democratic, extreme, whatever, i believe them and they happen to be all of those things...our nation was founded upon individual rights and the only reason i think what i do is because it will ultimately make our nation better.
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« Reply #114 on: December 05, 2004, 09:30:00 PM »

I didn't say you were partisan or wrong.

Why get defensive?

If you are just upholding personal principles, kudos to you.  Most of my beliefs and principles are pretty liberal.  I'm a big proponent of personal freedom and choice.

Yet, most people misunderstand what this country is founded on.

True capitalism has no concern for individuals, or those without wealth.
True democracy has no concern for protecting minorities.
True socialism would never let corporations and government bureacracy run rampant.

We are a blend of capitalism, democracy and socialism.  The virtues of each three philosophies must be blended, and carefully balanced against each other.  To uphold individual rights discounts majority rule.  Some think that what is in the best interest of society as a whole (say, national security) outweights one individual's rights.

How we weight the ideals of capitalism, democracy and socialism against each other will aways be a topic of debate.  And in some cases, I'm not sure there is a perfectly right answer.
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« Reply #115 on: December 05, 2004, 09:49:00 PM »

good point, i wasnt getting defensive, so dont say i was getting defensive, got it...lol...anyway, yeah its hard to argue with that, except that i dont think drugs hurt society, i think the prohibition is what is hurting society, and drugs are different from many otehr issues in that if they "hurt" anyone, it is only the user who has chosen to "hurt" his/herself...
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« Reply #116 on: December 05, 2004, 10:04:00 PM »

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« Reply #117 on: December 05, 2004, 11:17:00 PM »

im sorry all that happened andrew, but u r the minority...for most, stuff like that doesnt happen. also, u blame all of that on drugs, i do not. one, ur father's friend must have REALLY been tripping hard to stab someone to death(so he abused acid because he took too much), two, that wouldnt have happened if he wasnt brought up in such a bad family. u say ur whole family has been affected by drugs and addiction, addiction yes, drugs no....this is why we need to tell people the truth and educate them about the difference between drub use and drub abuse....your family abused drugs, and, as with anything that powerful, if you abuse it it will destroy u. if u use it responsibly it can show u parts of the mind and conscious u never knew existed. again, with drunk driving, it isnt the alcohol that killed the people, its the moron using the alcohol that decided to drive....again, they abused that power, and they should be punished, but dont blame the alcohol...because for everyone case of a drunk driver or someone triiping their balls off killing someone, i can show u hundreds(if these were documented, but they are not, all we ever see in the news are the idiots that get rushed to ER or OD, or kill someone) where a person is sitting at with with a few friends enjoying drugs responsibly, and hurting no one.  I realize uve been bad experiences with drugs, but dont let those experiences form ur judgement on them, because u have never seen the good they do. all of what ive said boils down to this, people should be allowed to do whatever they want, as long as it doesnt threaten anyone elses lives, and if they choose to do hurt people they shoul be punished.....but dont punish the millions that dont stab people, that dont drive under the influence, just because a few do. u should try some drugs and see what they really are and what they really do, ull only become addicted if u think u will, because in the end every time u use a drug u make a conscious choice of whether or not u want to, and whether or not it worth it....i hate how people through around "addiction" like its some monster that will consume u....tobacco is addictive, cocaine can make u an addict the first time, etc etc etc, ive used tons of drugs and i dont consider myself an addict, it all depends on will power, if u have no willpower, u will become an addict no matter what, if not to drugs, to something else u enjoy, and addiction in any form, whether it be drugs or not, is all equally bad. u look at  europe or the netherlands and see how alcohol and marijuana and shrooms are respected, they dont have as many drunk drivers or even as meen teens using weed as in the US, where its illegal....why? because they tell people the truth, and the truth is a little of something isnt going to hurt u...cocaine isnt going to make u an addict or kill u the first time, as long as u dont snort a 1/8, which is probably where they get those garbage figures from, and marijuana doesnt mean ur going to eventually become a heroin addict...drugs r simply keys to mind, each one unlocking a different state on consciousness, if all people understood this we wouldnt have the problems we have today, and our country would be much, much, much better off.
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« Reply #118 on: December 05, 2004, 11:40:00 PM »

rolleyes.gif It will be just like Brave New World, and 1984. I can't wait smile.gif.
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« Reply #119 on: December 05, 2004, 11:57:00 PM »

never seen those movies so i dont know, but since u posted it i really doubt that. i bet itll be like "reefer madness" too huh? it will be like 1883, when all drugs were legal, and society wasnt collapsing, there were LESS, yes less, drug addicts, imagine that. when they outlawed opium use increased 6 times, and it will be a more free country....i used this quote before and ill use it again....“A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both, and deserve neither” - Thomas Jefferson, or Abraham Lincoln, “Prohibition goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man’s appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes.” There's those damn liberal idiots again, hell what did the founding fathers know about creating a "land of the free," they sure fucked up......im glad there's people like u who are obviously much wiser than they ever were, or our country would turn into a shithole, oh wait, it already has.
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