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[SigTom]

QUOTE (thomes08 @ Nov 3 2004, 08:46 AM)

^^ a few of the things you said were either wrong or didn't make any sense but it doesn't really matter now anyways thomes08

Hmmm Oooook.

[OrkanMan]

I'm also from Ohio, and it was weird to see Tom Brokaw say, "The president did everything but move the Whitehouse to Canton, Ohio."

And Dan Rather was talking about Stark County, Ohio...which is exactly where I live.  (Canton is in Stark County)

It's just weird to see them talking about your county on the national news.  But there's a saying that goes something like this, "As Stark County goes, so does Ohio, so does the County."  In fact, John Kerry said that when he visited my high school last summer.



EDIT:  The strange part is, I think Stark County went to Kerry...but I could be wrong.

[buttface96]

Bush better win Ohio

[OrkanMan]

Oh, by the way, my wait was about 5 seconds.  But that was at 10:00 in the morning.

[pug_ster]

Personally, I would like to see how Bush can screw up this country more in the next 4 years.  But hey, if you guys voted for him and under 26, better get ready to ship your asses to Iraq, Iran or something....

[brandogg]

How is the economy fucked? I make more money now than I did 4 years ago (small business here). The nations economy is on the rise, and will continue to grow. Democrats are so pessimistic it makes me sick. And pug_ster, I don't see how raising education spending by 60%, raising law enforcement by 33%, taking out 75% of the enemy that was part of the attack on us, and so many other good things Bush has done have screwed up our country. Why would you be shipped to Iraq r Iran if you're under 26? If you signed up for the military, sure you could be sent to Iraq (there is no was in Iran) or Afghanistan, but you won't be sent there if you're not in the military. Grow up and try to pay attention to what's really going on.

[ahoatam]

As a  conservative Republican, I can say I'm pleased and maybe even a little surprised.  I can readily admit that W is not the most well-spoken man, but he's a man of conviction I don't always agree with those convictions, but he stands by what he believes - even when it's unpopular - in a country strikingly low on conviction.  That's balls, or courage, or whatever you want to call it.  And I respect that.  He may be wrong sometimes, but at least we know what to expect from him.

There is a lot of animosity directed towards W (or Gee-Dub, as we call him in the hood) that the Democratic party propbably could have achieved a lanslide victory.  Too bad they fucked themselves in the Iowa caucauses and picked the lamest, most liberal, most disconnected candidate possible.  Dean or Clarke could have stormed the place.  Kerry?  He doesn't connect.  (Anyone remember Bob Dole?  He didn't conect either, at least not until after the campaign)

And Micheal Moore...  Five years ago, in my liberal film school, we studied moore.  We studied Roger & Me in two documentary classes.  I learned how Moore edits to change around the order of events... to twist the perception of truth.  He changes interview responses and issues a stream of half-truths.  He's a dangerous man who muddies the term "documentary."  Once again, I studied this five years ago, when Slick Willie was in the White House, before Moore's political agenda made so many headlines.  I don't think he's changed his ways.

I'm sure I'll catch my share of flaming in here.  I'm not looking to start arguements though, just sharing events of the last year from my perspective.  Now I just want to move on...

-thanks for the time

[pug_ster]

Brandogg.  The deficit would balloon since Bush is President.  Don't take me wrong, but this president for big government (you pointed the increased spending) and low taxes.  You tell me how this can be done without making a bigger hole in the deficit.  It will probably be like the 2nd term of Reagan presidency where the tax has to be increased.

As for the war in Iraq and Middle East, what are the chances that there will be some kind of diplomancy between the US and the Muslims in the Middle east?  As long as Bush is president there will be some kind of tension between US and them.  So for every terrorist that we killed, probably 2 or 3 will join their cause.  And you will see more US troops when they will do the final attack at Falijuah and they will need more troops.

I am a pessimist because what the president did in the last 4 years.  You tell me why I should be an optimist.

[brandogg]

Because you're ignoring everything good that has happened.

[CreziB]

Johnnobts said the smartest thing I've read in this thread.  Come on guys, I voted Bush, but I can guarantee you that if Kerry won the election I would support him.  Your supposed to make the best of things and support your elected leaders, not bitch and moan for 4 years.  Love it or leave it. It's the way it is and if people are going to kick and scream like babies, so be it.  I can certainly understand  people being disappointed by not having their candidate elected, but don't be one of those people that everytime you see Bush on tv or in the news you start complaining again.  Now, let's get back to talkin' xbox on friendly terms, eh?

[pug_ster]

The only thing I do know that he did something right was a refund of $300 check with W's name on it a few years back.  But I know that I will have to pay for it a few years later in tax increases.

I agree with ahoatam that Kerry is not the best candidate and Dean or Clarke is probably a better candidate than Kerry.  If either Dean or Clarke were running for President, they could've probably won.

[brandogg]

I'm not judging the whole economy on my success, I'm just showing another example. There have been hundreds if not thousands of new jobs created right around the area where I work in the past 4 years, and it looks like there will be thousands more added in the years to come.

[ProSam]

QUOTE (ahoatam @ Nov 3 2004, 12:22 PM)

As a  conservative Republican, I can say I'm pleased and maybe even a little surprised.  I can readily admit that W is not the most well-spoken man, but he's a man of conviction I don't always agree with those convictions, but he stands by what he believes - even when it's unpopular - in a country strikingly low on conviction.  That's balls, or courage, or whatever you want to call it.  And I respect that.  He may be wrong sometimes, but at least we know what to expect from him. There is a lot of animosity directed towards W (or Gee-Dub, as we call him in the hood) that the Democratic party propbably could have achieved a lanslide victory.  Too bad they fucked themselves in the Iowa caucauses and picked the lamest, most liberal, most disconnected candidate possible.  Dean or Clarke could have stormed the place.  Kerry?  He doesn't connect.  (Anyone remember Bob Dole?  He didn't conect either, at least not until after the campaign) And Micheal Moore...  Five years ago, in my liberal film school, we studied moore.  We studied Roger & Me in two documentary classes.  I learned how Moore edits to change around the order of events... to twist the perception of truth.  He changes interview responses and issues a stream of half-truths.  He's a dangerous man who muddies the term "documentary."  Once again, I studied this five years ago, when Slick Willie was in the White House, before Moore's political agenda made so many headlines.  I don't think he's changed his ways. I'm sure I'll catch my share of flaming in here.  I'm not looking to start arguements though, just sharing events of the last year from my perspective.  Now I just want to move on... -thanks for the time

Very Well Said. I Agree Wholeheartedly.

[Heet]

Micheal Moore, Hollywood(Ben Afleck, Rosie Odonell, Whoopi Goldberg, Susan Sarandon, Puff Daddy, Bob Franken (Air America radio station), etc...), The Networks(CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC), The Anchors(Peter Jennings, Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw) and all the other idiots that liberals think are an asset to the Democrat party, killed Kerry.  LOOOOOOOOOL   I hope you guys look up to these people because I sure do.  Go Bush!!!!!!!!!!!    

[johnnobts]

-->Johnnobts said the smartest thing I've read in this thread

wow, first time for everything i guess...  i agree with some of the other comments from my conservative friends...  i don't appreciate the outrageous remarks coming from the other side of the aisle. actors like martin sheen who called bush a moron, and kim basinger who said she'd move out of the country if bush was elected, like sen. joe biden who called the president "brain dead," like al gor who ranted and raved saying "he betrayed this country..."  come on...  i also agree that if kerry had been elected, by and large the majority of republicans and conservative independents wouldn't pitch as big a hissy fit...

plus to all those here in the forums calling us "stupid american voters," "crazy right-wingers," "pyscho-Christians," etc., etc.  I'd just submit to you that evanelical Chiristians have every right to be involved in the democratic process, and because we felt that so many moral choices were on the table for this years election (stem cell, partial birth abortion, homosexual marriage), we were highly mobilized and showed up at the polls.  i'd also like to add that we did this WITHOUT expressly endorsing a particular party or candidate, unlike certain other religous leaders in the democratic party (jackson, sharpton getting away with endorsing a candidate in church makes me sick).  

i know that america is going to be smeared across the globe by more progressive, less traditional, more secular, less religous nations for moving a notch farther to the right, but i'm telling you, even a lot of midwestern democrats couldn't stomach moving as far left as people like kerry, dean, michael moore, hollywood, etc. wanted our nation to go...

finally, let me just preview the next presidential race, between hillary clinton (no-brainer) and whoever the republican party chooses.  republicans better pay close attention to the church-going protestants and practicing catholics.  just as we wouldn't tolerate pete coors in colorado, we may not be so fond of voting for arnold (pro-choice, pro-stem cell, pro homosexual marriage), guiliani (same) or mccain (same)...  its our next candidate may be a rice, powell, frist, or even another, more articulate bush (jeb).