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[Boba_Fett]

QUOTE (gcskate27 @ Oct 31 2004, 10:06 AM)

blech... worse than american lager... though not quite as bad as Harp... yeesh that stuff is awful...

I don't think it is the taste that fascinates me as much as the big ass can... and how much alcoholic goodness it can hold  

[Boba_Fett]

QUOTE (pug_ster @ Oct 31 2004, 06:17 PM)

How about what US did in response to Pearl Harbor attack?

What about it? We stopped WWII right there. If the Japanese didn't play with fire, they wouldn't have gotten burned...

[OrkanMan]

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I'm anti-violence and think his attacks were sick and all that, but I can sure see why he did it.

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Eventually you can't be blind no longer, and how america will cry that day. I'm looking forward to it.

[gronne]

QUOTE (OrkanMan @ Oct 31 2004, 10:22 PM)

Gronne, I'm not trying to start something, but I'd really like to know what you meant by these two statements:

I don't know...  Isn't it obvious what I meant about them?

It's probably as easy to understand as this: I hate undemocratic governments but would all the time choose Castro over Bush. Which obviously means that Castro is bad, but there's no word for how bad Bush is.

What I meant about my first statement is that I'm against Bin Laden's brutal attacks, and don't support his violence at all. But just like you americans thought when he attacked you, that you will have vengeance at any cost, he had the same vengeance in his mind when he attacked you. So, if you think they should face vengeance with blood, then i sure as hell can understand he wanted your blood. Maybe you should've listened to his speech, where he told you why he attacked you. But you don't listen to what a brutal murderer says, right? He's not a nice guy exactly, but he's made by the USA.

And the other statement is more symbolic. In the future I HOPE you will understand how much of others blood you've spilled. I'm pretty certain USA will be a more or less powerless nation in about 50 years. And when you understand poverty you'll hopefully understand what hell you've created for others.

Like for example. Over the 30 years Saddam reigned it's estimated he killed around 300,000 people. And during the 1½ years you've occupied Iraq you've killed about 100,000 people according to the latest report. You do the math. The iraqies don't even want your democracy, they're not ready for it.  "One death is a tragedy, a million is statistics" - Stalin.

And Cambodia or Vietnam. Don't you just LOVE the Truman- and Eisenhower-doctrine? It's done so good to this world

[gcskate27]

QUOTE (ferrari_rulz_02 @ Oct 31 2004, 02:35 AM)

QUOTE (k98) Dont mess with the best, because your jealous. QUOTE (gcskate27) exactly what is wrong with most americans... a hell of a lot. but SOME r good

no, see i was saying that k98's statement is 'exactly what is wrong with most americans'... i wasnt asking a question...  

[gronne]

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why else are the cubans voting for bush

Did you copy and paste that from Fox? As I said, the ones fleeing from Cuba are most likely republicans, otherwise they wouldn't mind Castro's dictatorship.

Apart from USA, most developed countries seek socialism. Since the feodal society socialism has been the superior form. USA is nr.8 in UNDP's list of developed countries, and like the only non-socialistic country. So, one day we'll see USA crawling of socialist  If USA wants to be a great nation that is.

[Boba_Fett]

QUOTE (gronne @ Nov 1 2004, 01:44 AM)

Apart from USA, most developed countries seek socialism. Since the feodal society socialism has been the superior form. USA is nr.8 in UNDP's list of developed countries, and like the only non-socialistic country. So, one day we'll see USA crawling of socialist  If USA wants to be a great nation that is.

Yeah, I'm sure paying brain surgeons as much as a McDonalds hamburger flipper will usher the US into a new age of prosperity. Face it, pure socialism is for the weak. It is a cruel world, in order to succeed you can't have a heart that resembles a sieve to bleed over everything. If you don't want to be poor, freakin' make something of yourself. Don't wait for others to help you when you can help yourself...

And please don't tell me its impossible to pull yourself back up out of the gutter in this country. We have tons of programs that can help even bums get right off the street. Where there's a will there's a way, and that is what makes the US one of the best places to live since you are virtually unobstructed from visualizing your goals.

[CreziB]

Just skimmed this as I'm not reading yet another terrorist threat thread.  I saw this(prlly all kinds of things throughout this thread and I'm not singling this one out for any reason other than while skimming I saw this and object...no worries.)


gronne typed that "how soon we forget" is a US phrase in essence, but that's not true.  It's a universal term originating from the Bible.  Just the facts, mam.

Proverbs 26:11
"As a dog hath returned to its vomit, A fool is repeating his folly."

[BenJeremy]

[brandogg]

You can see why Bin Laden had 4 planes hijacked to kill Americans and cripple our nation? Bin Laden is a piece of shit that has tried to push his views onto the middle east for decades. There's no need to elaborate.

[pug_ster]

QUOTE (K98 @ Nov 1 2004, 04:00 AM)

Yep we took all asians and put them into camps and gased them!! No comparison. It was a bad thing but not that bad. Japs killed 1000s of chinese and american POWs, but we get remembered for putting innocent people in camps. Then "pearl harbor attack" says it all. They attacked us and we were supposed to keep our emotions in check just after we entered another world war within 40 years?

The US did threw the 2 atom bombs which killed tens of thousands of women and children in those 2 cities, right?  You forgot that US has done atrocities, right?

[BenJeremy]

QUOTE (pug_ster @ Nov 1 2004, 12:38 AM)

The US did threw the 2 atom bombs which killed tens of thousands of women and children in those 2 cities, right?  You forgot that US has done atrocities, right?

 

If somebody punches me in the face (Pearl Harbor), they can expect me to finish the fight (A-bombs).

Can you say "Nanking"?

Know much about Korea during WWII? ...the Phillipines? ...just about any other place the Japanese occupied?

Go take your disengenuous talking points elsewhere. It's pure BS to play moral equivalence with those events. While the differences where many, the crews who flew over Hiroshima and Nagasaki flew on a mission to END A WAR, while the crews who flew over Hawaii were on a mission to BEGIN A WAR OF CONQUEST.

I'm left with one of two conclusions: If you fail to understand even the simplest and apparent difference, then you lack the intelligence for debating anything here. If you understand the difference, and insist on play these idiotic comparisons, then you are, pure and simple, against those who serve the greater good of mankind (I'll leave it to you to figure out the simpler term for it).

[pug_ster]

QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Nov 1 2004, 05:48 AM)

I'm left with one of two conclusions: If you fail to understand even the simplest and apparent difference, then you lack the intelligence for debating anything here. If you understand the difference, and insist on play these idiotic comparisons, then you are, pure and simple, against those who serve the greater good of mankind (I'll leave it to you to figure out the simpler term for it).

As usual, your stupid-ass bushlike technique of insulting someone else without knowing what the other person trying to say.  

As soldiers, they are ready to fight and there is a chance a soldier die in the line of duty thus they should be ready to die in a certain aspect.  Civilians should not be a target during a war, even in a war as barbaric as in WWII.  As in the attack of Pearl Harbor, the Japanese attack was on US military base so it follows that rule.  

US could've flexed its military muscles and attacked a one of Japan's military base or one of their power plants.  But US killed tens of thousands of mostly innocent women and children instead.

[ferrari_rulz_02]

QUOTE (K98 @ Nov 1 2004, 05:12 PM)

The bushido code followed by every japanese person said surrender is dishonorable and death is honorable. So they would of died fighting with sticks against the Americans.

this is tru, and you would know that if you knew anythign about wwII. and the a-bombs didnt end teh war. they were goign to surrender anyway.

what i said still stand, i still hate most americans. but, also like i said before, some are good. like some people on thios board for example.

and for you americans, when voting, remember one thing: you are not voting to get teh best man in, you are voting to stop the worst man getting the job.

sure, what bush did was stupid and awful, but not without reason

[Ronnie]

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Name some things we have done that are so evil

Did you learn about this war we had that killed millions of people?I think it was in a country called Vietnam,yeah thats it.Maybe you should do some of that reading you talked about.
A totally unjustified war that was,in the the words of the good doctor, "EVIL".

Muahahahaha

Uh anyway,Im going to sleep but Ill be back to pick your post apart.