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rocky_2197

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« Reply #45 on: October 09, 2004, 06:13:00 PM »

Maximumbeing your entiltled to your opinion, I personaly disagree with you.  I think Bush has made a lot of good decisions.  Going to war with Iraq was one of them.  You like it our not the place is better and America is a lot safer, than befor the war.  The fact of the matter, Bush just had the balls to do something about rather than wait around for the corupted UN and Even worse Security Counciel to decide what to do and place even more sanctions on Iraq to be broken by Sadam.  There may not have been any weaopons found in Iraq but there is a good chance if they could have been transfered out of the country to say Saria?  The point is you may not agree with it but the fact is the world is safer, Iraq is free, and Bush did what he had to do.  It isn't always easy or popular to do what is right.  Thank God, Budda, Alla, whoever, Bush had the balls to do it.
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« Reply #46 on: October 09, 2004, 11:25:00 PM »

Just to add to the Florida argument, I didn't hear how many jobs were lost, but I just learned 70,000 people in the state lost their homes.
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« Reply #47 on: October 09, 2004, 11:55:00 PM »

Saddam Hussein quietly celebrated on Sept. 11, 2001, when terrorists, using fuel-laden jetliners as weapons of mass destruction, laid waste to the World Trade Center and gouged a hole in the Pentagon.

The Iraqi dictator delighted in the mass murder of nearly 3,000 people in New York, in Washington, D.C., and in Pennsylvania. "The United States reaps the thorns its rulers have planted in the world," he spake.

Saddam was not responsible for the worst-ever terror attack on U.S. soil, as President Bush acknowledged more than a year ago. But he certainly derived vicarious satisfaction from the destruction of Sept. 11, from the carnage.

And his despotic regime, at the very least, tacitly encouraged more terror attacks upon the United States, as evidenced by a polemic, published in Al-Rafidayn, an Iraqi newspaper controlled by Saddam's government.

"If the attacks of September 11 cost the lives of 3,000 civilians," it pronounced "what would happen if hundreds of planes attacked American cities?"

Now, if Saddam's regime hinted at strikes against America before Sept. 11, 2001, then maybe those hints could have been dismissed as just so much bluster. But after Sept. 11, no hints, no bellicose statements could be taken unseriously.

That's why the overwhelming sentiment in Washington, from the White House to Capitol Hill, was that Saddam's regime represented a gathering threat to the security of the United States, to the safety of the American people.

And no two lawmakers were more convinced of Saddam's menace than Sens. John Kerry, the Massachusetts Democrat, and John Edwards, the North Carolina Democrat, who are now staking their bid for the White House on opposition to the war in Iraq.

In October 2002, Edwards stated, "Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies. ... "We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. ...

We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons. And we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal."

In January 2003, Kerry declared, "We need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know his litany of offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...

And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction."

President Bush concurred with Sens. Edwards and Kerry. In fact, one year and one day after the terror attacks upon the United States, the president went to the United Nations and laid out a case for action against Saddam's regime.

The Security Council responded in November 2002 by unanimously approving Resolution 1441, which gave Saddam's regime "a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations" or suffer the consequences.

Well, six months after Bush's U.N. speech, four months after the Security Council issued its ultimatum to Iraq, Saddam's defiance of the both the U.N. and the United States continued.

So what was Bush to do? Acquiesce to "allies" on the Security Council who wanted to give Saddam a final "final opportunity" to comply with resolutions he had defied for the previous 12 years? Or make good on his warning to bring regime change to Iraq if Saddam remained defiant?

Had the nation's commander in chief faced such a decision before the terror attacks of Sept. 11, maybe an argument could have been made for giving Saddam so many more months or years to get his mind right.

But after the mass murder of 3,000 people on American soil by Islamic extremists, the security of the United States, the safety of the American people demanded that the president take action against Saddam's recalcitrant regime, even without the blessing of the United Nations.

In testimony this week to the Senate Armed Forces Committee, Charles Duelfer, the chief U.S. weapons inspector, told lawmakers that his team turned up no evidence that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction at the time President Bush took the nation to war with Iraq.

Duelfer's findings, included in a report of nearly 1,000 pages, have been seized upon by war critics, by Bush foes, as confirmation of their view that the war was unjustified, that the White House deliberately misled the American people about the threat posed by Saddam's regime.

But President Bush hardly was the only one in the nation's capitol persuaded by intelligence reports warning that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Sens. Kerry and Edwards were persuaded by the same reports, as their aforementioned statements indicated.

Moreover, while Duelfer's report states that there were no chemical, biological or nuclear weapons in Iraq by the time U.S. forces invaded the country, he told lawmakers that inspectors cannot "definitively say whether or not WMD materials were transferred out of Iraq before the war."

He also stated that, "By 1993, Iraq would have been able to produce mustard agent in a period of months and nerve agent in less than a year or two."

The bottom line is that Saddam had the will and a way to develop or acquire weapons of mass destruction. And it is conceivable that those weapons would have been used against either the United States or its allies, either by Saddam himself or by a terror organization operating as Saddam's proxy.

That's why the United States was right to go to war against Iraq, whether or not Saddam actually had a ready stockpile of WMDs.

For in the wake of the Sept. 11 terror attacks, this nation's leaders must be resolved to take whatever measures necessary – including pre-emptive war – to prevent another atrocity against the American people.

Wrinten by Joseph Perkins, this sums up exactly why the way in Iraq was needed.  Want more Info I will be sure glad to get as much info that you could posibly desire.
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« Reply #48 on: October 09, 2004, 11:57:00 PM »

Just to add to the Florida argument, I didn't hear how many jobs were lost, but I just learned 70,000 people in the state lost their homes.

So you are going to blame the multi huricans that hit Florida on President Bush now?  That is just plain stupid.  IT is a natural disaster that no one could have stopped.
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« Reply #49 on: October 11, 2004, 09:19:00 PM »

The UN Oil for Food scandal was very much a means of Saddam Hussein attempting to regain WMDs. It got stopped before he could complete his goals, but if we didn't step in, he would have them soon enough.
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« Reply #50 on: October 11, 2004, 10:25:00 PM »

Colonel32 I appologize for those links being out dated, but tell me this did Hussein not pay "blood money" up to 25,000 dollars to the families of suicied bombers?  Isn't a suicide bomber a terrorist?  Then wouldn't that mean Suddam supported terrorist?

gronne  Why would there be a civil way in Iraq?  what gives you any Idea that something that would oocure.  The Iraq people welcomed the freedom to finally chose their president, they appricieted the US liberating them, and now they just want the American military to with draw so they can chose their own government.  All that is going to happen once we have trained enough Iraqis to defend themselves from future terrorist organizations and posible future dictatores.

Had 9/11 not occured, then there wouldnt have been a war in Afganestein, a war in Iraq, and there wouldnt be this war on terrorism.  9/11 has changed the world.  Bush made his decisions because of 9/11, a possible threat was treated as just that.  Now a possible threat has to be taken seriosly, an offesive stance is the best way to deter future attacks.  By eleminating as many terrorist as possile makes it harder for them to plan attacts. When they have to continuesly get more members to rplace the members that a killed or captured by the colition forces.

brandogg I agree the OFP scandel was a means for Husien to under mind the santions that enplace by the very members envolved with the scandle.  Had 9/11 not occured then we (the US) wouldn't have found out that France, China , and Russia arn't realy our alleys but rather they are trying to undermind the very exsistence of us.  

cainedna you say you trust the UN more than the US government.  I am trully saddend by your distrust of the freates govenment in the world.  You stated that we have all those check and balances to maintain a relitve low level of corruption, the UN doesn't have such a check and balance.  The perment members are just that, they have hidden agendas to make themselves better, stronger and safer.  The US is doing the same thing.  We don't need to be envolved with such scandlus nations to accomplish the goal of a safer nation.  HAd 9/11 not occured like I stated befor then we wouldn't have about the scandalas actions of some the permant members of the UNSC.  I makes me wounder what else they are doing.
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