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[drunkmunk]

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honestly, and ill say it even if your in the miltary right now or not, i feel people in the military that have joined up in the last 2 years shouldnt even have the competence to be polled, as there all shit for brains and deserve the lowest respect i can give them

well luckily for you, dickhead, those same people that you have no respect for will lay down there lives for you to say that. so sit in your moms basement and type away all your angst because your girlfriend is getting fucked by a Joe home from R&R

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id rather give change to a bum then hope these men stay safe, as its there fault if they get killed

it is their fault if they get killed because these are men and women that made a choice and unfortunately alot of them are paying the price. You on the other hand, what have you done to make any kind of difference in the world?

If you don't support the war then by all means vote for the person who will end it but for you to sit there and bash the soldiers that defend your freedoms pisses me off.

[Neg.Nance]

67thraptor

fine have your opinion but you i must say are the most ungrateful fuck I have even seen, you say that thoes that joined the military now to two years ago, deserve no respect, you realize that probably few of the people that have join thoes 2 years have gone to iraq, plus you think that no one should join the military because of a current situation? do you just want the military disbanded all together? what then should we only have people join the military once there is a threat? or do you want the draft back? no one in a right state of mind want to go fight but thats the risk there is in joining the military, you spit in the faces of all the military because of what the top elected offical in the country decided along with congress?

here is an actual question id like you to repsond to, how old are you? If you are of age to vote I only hope that with thoes opinions you actually do vote, because the only thing i can't stand more than asshole are assholes that don't vote

i take the most offense because I just join the navy myself and I am not doing it to get my point across over anything I believe, I am doing it like most people for something interesting and something that will get me somewhere, I am not looking for respect nor do I think that I deserve less than anyone else, I am just doing what I will,

[brandogg]

My best friend finished a tour in Iraq recently, he was not killed by the way, so again, fuck the shit out of you. It's true you're allowed to have an opinion, but your opinion shows how fucking stupid and disrespectful, and undeserving of your freedom that you are.

[rocky_2197]

I agree everyone is entitled to opinion.  The military fights to maintain that freedom of speech.  Every one in the military isn't a rocket scientist but they are proud Americans.  They choose to fight for freedoms and the protections of everyone in the world.  The reasons to go to war in Iraq may not of been the best ones, but that is hindsight.  We are there now and need the support no matter what.  It not an option to pull out now, it would show terrorist that Americans are weak and they would have won.    Now Iraq is going to be holding elections soon.  They are a free country.  Isn't that better than living in fear of a crule dictator?  

Alot of military support Bush, In my oponion because he has the balls to stand up for what is right, no matter how un-popular that is.  Wouldn't you rather have some one that is a strong leader rather than one that wants to pull the troops out of Iraq ( that would do much more harm than staying there and finshing the job)?

[rocky_2197]

The war in Iraq needs to be thought of as a deterrent more than a war on terrorism. By liberating the Iraqi people and ridding the area of a cruel dictator (who supported terrorists) we send the message that if you support terrorists than we (the US) will not stand for it. The deterrent is similar to having the nuclear weapons that we (US) used in the cold war and to the present day to deter nations from attacking us. Since the enemy these days are not Nations rather they are individuals, makes the weapons useless as a deterrent. The mixture of having individuals not a nation to fight against and the fact that many nations have nuclear technology, makes nuclear weapons as a deterrent in effective. So now, we go to war in Iraqi (the small guy) and relative easy country to fight so to speak. This is now a deterrent, “our new nuclear weapon.” By toppling Saddam, the US send the message that we will even go to war to protect our country. This a scare tactic to show, other countries like Iran, North Korea, and Saudi Arabia, that if you support terrorists, the US will not stand for it and will go to any lengths to protect our freedoms of our country. The nations of the world see the war and think we don’t want to fight against the US and then start to rid there own countries of the terrorist scum. So in essence end justifies the means.

[Baner]

I plan on join the Army (more than likly the Air Force) when I get out of Gerogia Tech, altho that's 4 years away, I really odn't care what our military is doing at the time. Whether we're still at war in the Middle East, on the defence, or just at a state of idleness. I'm not doing it so I can say, "Yeah, I killed me soom Terrorists!", I wanna be able to say that I served this country in some way. even tho it's probably not the biggest thing I can do, it's more than many others have done. Sure, go ahead and flame me for being so "blind" or "stupid". It really shouldn't matter what your doing in the army, if Congress and the Commander-in-Chief believe it's worth going to war over, then I feel obligated to feel the same way. BTW, this means that we will have a president that isn't Bush, no matter what happens. So saying that I'm a blind follower of Bush is pointless.

[EverythingButAnAnswer]

QUOTE (cainedna @ Oct 8 2004, 05:32 PM)

I'm not going to flame you over this Baner, I just feel like it's a little sad to put such effort into becoming a voiceless tool (in the literal definition.) It's entirely your own choice, but it seems like if you were to be involved in a war that is isn't just in your opinion, you wouldn't be serving the country at all. Voting, and expressing your concerns is a very valid way of serving your country. I'm not saying that being a soldier isn't a more direct way to serve your country either... I don't know. I'm rambling. What's the point of having an opinion if you do what your conscience says is wrong?

Man quit being a fucking NAZI. Can a mother fucker have an opinion that is different from yours? Can someone think different than you? WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO SAY WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG? Fuck off.

[cainedna]

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Man quit being a fucking NAZI. Can a mother fucker have an opinion that is different from yours? Can someone think different than you? WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO SAY WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG? Fuck off.

To start with, I totally respect Baner, and he's got the right to whatever opinion he likes. I don't agree with him all the time, but he seems like a cool enough guy. If I didn't think this, I wouldn't have said anything.
Also note, this forum is about expressing volatile things like opinions.
In addition, I wasn't trying to tell him what was right and what was wrong. I was letting him know that I thought he should let his actions show his feelings, regardless of however I agree with his opinions or not.
Lastly, what the hell have I said that implies I want to be the moral judge of anyone? If no one had a different opinion, there would be no reason in having a discussion, would there?
If I'm presenting myself in a way that seems like I don't accept other people's opinions, please let me know. I've got my own opinions too, ass.

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Provide proof I will not exept links from rense or any other BS type site. Have you read the UN report?

Saddam *did* support Palestinian suicide bombers.

[Maximumbeing]

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Alot of military support Bush, In my oponion because he has the balls to stand up for what is right, no matter how un-popular that is.

It doesn't matter that 50% of America disagreed with the war, at least he's got the balls to show those morons what's right, right?

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Man quit being a fucking NAZI. Can a mother fucker have an opinion that is different from yours? Can someone think different than you? WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO SAY WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG? Fuck off.

Wow.
Having problems paying the bills? Have you been avoiding social situations? Do you find yourself drinking while nobody else is around?
You could be an alcoholic, Click here for the help you need and deserve.

[rocky_2197]

By liberating the Iraqi people and ridding the area of a cruel dictator (who supported terrorists)"

Provide proof I will not exept links from rense or any other BS type site. Have you read the UN report?

Proof of a cruel dictator

http://www.fas.org/n...iraq-000918.htm
http://www.thesmokin...jackstraw1.html
http://www.pbs.org/w...d/etc/cron.html
http://www.whitehous.../iraqdecade.pdf
www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/ shows/gunning/etc/arsenal.html
http://www.whitehous...cade/sect4.html
http://www.whitehous...aq/reasons.html
http://usinfo.state....ed/homepage.htm
http://thomas.loc.go...S.CON.RES.7.IS:
http://www.iraq.net/...ode-thread.html

Proof of terrorist ties

http://www.defenddem...m?doc_id=229204
http://www.cnsnews.c...E20041004a.html
http://www.freerepub...ws/888717/posts
http://www.whitehous...cade/sect4.html
http://www.milnet.com/wh/sect5.html
www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/decade/sect5.html
www.infoisrael.net/cgi-local/ text.pl?source=4/c/archives/111020022
www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/bush_iraq.pdf
abcnews.go.com/sections/world/ DailyNews/iraq_administrationcase_020912.html
www.cfr.org/background/background_iraq_ties.php
www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/4/11/10428.shtml
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1230293/posts

[Maximumbeing]

50% of the american people disagreed with the war!!!

He FAILED, in the most literal sense for a president, at being president.

[rocky_2197]

50% of the american people disagreed with the war!!!

He FAILED, in the most literal sense for a president, at being president.

And acording to your numbers 50% agreed to go to war.
Bush hasn't failed at anything.  You don't have to agree about everything he has done but you have to admit, Afganestain and Iraq are both on track to being a better, nonterrorist harboring selfsufficent counties.  In this case the ends justifies the means.

6 months prior to Bush taking ofice the stock market was going down showing signs of a resecion.  Now the economy is recovering and as the report started released today there has been 1 mil. + jobs created in the last two months.  The facts just shows theat America is still thriving, a slow recovery, but thriving.  

TO me it sounds like you are just upset that Bush, a republican is in office and doing whats right, rather than a democrate that would do anything to please the international community.  It is harder to whats right.  But you entitled to your own opinion.

[Trisman]

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Afganestain and Iraq are both on track to being a better, nonterrorist harboring selfsufficent counties.

Yeah, Afganistan is better.  It now is the largest producer of opium in the world and a good deal of its territory is under the control of drug lords and war lords.  Oh yeah, we're doing a good job there.


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[WilliamChgo]

[Maximumbeing]

Why can't the terrorist target churches?

That would be so convenient for me.

Rocky,  The president has to act based on the will of his contituency, and when 50% of it says, "Please you're being a dumbass, don't go to war." Well then our president should stop being a dumbass and not go to war.

and you have this backwards Rocky,
I don't say Bush has made such horrible mistakes because I hate him.
I hate Bush because he has made such horrible mistakes.