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[rocky_2197]

What some of the US Military realy think.

The results of the US Military Times survey were just published in this weeks Navy Times. 4,165 military personal (active, guard, and reserve duty personal) that suscribe to the Military times publications voluntary answered servral question reguarding President Bush and Presidential canidate John Kerry. The results are as followed:

If the presidential election was held today, whom would you vote?

Active Duty Personal

72% Bush
17% Kerry
6% Undecided
2% Declined to answer
1% Nader
1% Other

Guard and Reserve

73% Bush
18% Kerry
5% Undecided
1% Nader
1% Other
1% Declined to Answer


Do you approve of the way President Bush is handling the situation in Iraq?

Active

60% Approve
23% Disapprove
8% No Opinion
8% Declined to answer

Guard and Reserve

63% Approve
25% Disapprove
6% Declined to answer
5% No opinion

The results were further broken down to those who were deployed after 9/11 and those who weren't, aswell as those deployed and not deployed to active combate zones. The results were similare with Bush recieving around 75% and Kerry recieving 18% of the votes.

I wanted to post this because on a daily basis I see on the news that American military realy don't support Bush and don't agree with his handiling of the Iraq situation. This is actual pruff that Many American military personel support our President and his handling of the Iraq situation.

[brandogg]

If this is true, then I think we owe it to our troops to elect the leader that they trust.

[rocky_2197]

Yes it is true it is 11October 2004 issue of Navy times that I have recied today.  I was one of the lucky few who got to peticpate in the survey.  Unfortunatly it was only available to the suscribers to any military times publications with an active email account.

The survey was conducted Sept. 15-28 by the Army Times Publishing Co., which distributes the weekly newspapers Army Times, Navy Times, Air Force Times and Marine Corps Times. (Army Times Publishing is owned by Gannett, which also publishes USA TODAY.)

[gcskate27]

QUOTE (brandogg @ Oct 5 2004, 11:40 PM)

If this is true, then I think we owe it to our troops to elect the leader that they trust.

well that doesnt make any sense... but its your opinion so whatever...

[brandogg]

Anyone can imagine that, but that's really not the way it is. Of all the people in the military I know, only one is for Kerry, and I'm not saying this because of her choice, but she is in fact a complete dumbass.

[pedro]

This is not to say that the results are not at least close to being correct because I am sure that the majority of the military does support bush...

however,
I do see some flaws in the poll

firstly only 4,165 people were included in the poll.
Seeing as there are well over 100,000 people in service in Iraq that 4,000 doesnt seem to me to prove an accurate representation of the troops over there.

another flaw is that the only people included in the poll are those that subscribe to and recieve the US Military Times...

now, of all of the soldiers in Iraq how many do you think actually recieve let alone read the Military times? from the results of their poll (4,165 and only 14% declined to answer the second question, so that means less than 5,000 people) obviously it isnt that much.

so that leaves you with those in command and such that are still on home soil...
of course those people are going to agree with Bush, they arnt over there risking thier lives everyday.

[bluedeath]

QUOTE (rocky_2197 @ Oct 6 2004, 07:47 AM)

Yes it is true it is 11October 2004 issue of Navy times that I have recied today.  I was one of the lucky few who got to peticpate in the survey.  Unfortunatly it was only available to the suscribers to any military times publications with an active email account. The survey was conducted Sept. 15-28 by the Army Times Publishing Co., which distributes the weekly newspapers Army Times, Navy Times, Air Force Times and Marine Corps Times. (Army Times Publishing is owned by Gannett, which also publishes USA TODAY.)

of course they accept the dysfunctional system.  To accept a system of thought unconditionally is to be brainwashed.

[The unProfessional]

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firstly only 4,165 people were included in the poll. Seeing as there are well over 100,000 people in service in Iraq that 4,000 doesnt seem to me to prove an accurate representation of the troops over there.

Isn't that the nature of statistical analysis?  Obviously you can't count everyone... it's called a sample set.  Welcome to Stat-101.  The whole idea is that you find a small set that accurately represents the whole.  Of course, by polling people who receive a particular magazine, your sample set is flawed.  In that sense, you're right.

[thomes08]

those results aren't surprising at all

[Baner]

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Do you approve of the way President Bush is handling the situation in Iraq? Active 8% No Opinion

This really ticks me off right here. How is it physically posible for someone who's life this is directly effecting, to have no opinion on something like this!?
If i did this math right,
4,165 were polled, broken into 2 sections which both relate to 100%, so if it was split 50/50, the 8% would translate into 4% of 4,165... which means 166 out of 4,165 people have no opinion on what their commander-in-cheif is doing with their lives! I wish I could personally go up to each of these guys and slap them across the face...

[Maximumbeing]

I agree with Cainedna, for someone who has seen so much death and war, how could they possibly say it was for nothing? Or say that they aren't there for the right reasons.

I personally know 2 military people that fought in Afghanistan and Iraq, and they both support Kerry, and neither of them are dumbasses Brandogg.

[67thRaptorBull]

QUOTE (brandogg @ Oct 6 2004, 09:41 AM)

Anyone can imagine that, but that's really not the way it is. Of all the people in the military I know, only one is for Kerry, and I'm not saying this because of her choice, but she is in fact a complete dumbass. If this is true, then I think we owe it to our troops to elect the leader that they trust.

i dont really like coming out and flaming, but

your a retard for those two statements.



honestly, and ill say it even if your in the miltary right now or not, i feel people in the military that have joined up in the last 2 years shouldnt even have the competence to be polled, as there all shit for brains and deserve the lowest respect i can give them

id rather give change to a bum then hope these men stay safe, as its there fault if they get killed

but these polls do surprise me.........

think about it, if your joining up for the iraq war, that means you trust your fighting for your freedom (which means you believe the president is telling the truth) so i would expect 100% of the people in that poll to vote bush

im surprised some voted kerry, that just shows they got thier shit together and realized this war is pointless

[cainedna]

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What the hell. If you dont know that if you sign up for the military you might have to fight you should be put in prison. They give you a gun and training for a reason that is to fight sometime when called upon. They just dont build all these tanks, ships, aircraft just to drive,sail, or fly around for fun.

That wasn't what I was implying. Of course there was the possibility of going to war. Otherwise, I'd have voluntarily signed up myself. I don't think everyone who signs up for it is looking for a reason to kill people, or be killed defending their country, either.

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Anyone can imagine that, but that's really not the way it is. Of all the people in the military I know, only one is for Kerry, and I'm not saying this because of her choice, but she is in fact a complete dumbass.

Incidently, I've got a few military friends (not a ton,) and none of them support the president's actions. They're quite open about it, too.
I'm not saying that the people polled in this instance weren't sincere in their support for Bush, and will vote for him as a result, I'm just trying to illustrate what I believe could be the case, in my mind. I was quite clear that it was likely (IMO), but a hypothetical thought.

[pedro]

QUOTE (The unProfessional @ Oct 6 2004, 02:36 PM)

Isn't that the nature of statistical analysis?  Obviously you can't count everyone... it's called a sample set.  Welcome to Stat-101.  The whole idea is that you find a small set that accurately represents the whole.  Of course, by polling people who receive a particular magazine, your sample set is flawed.  In that sense, you're right.

you are right that is how polls work but that sample set simply isnt large enough to completely represent the whole...
and as far as presidential polls, I dont pay attention to them either for this same reason...
polls dont mean shit

of the military people I know (all of which are now safely back home)
it seems that the majority do support bush, but it is more closely to half and half than the overwhelming numbers that this poll implies...but then again, that sjust based on the people I know which I again admit does not acuratelly in any way represent the whole...

[rocky_2197]

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Incidently, I've got a few military friends (not a ton,) and none of them support the president's actions. They're quite open about it, too.

There is a saying birds of a feather flock together.  By that You are most likly a democrate.  Therefor you problabley associate with fellow democrates.  I for one am a replublican There for I tend to asscociate with other republicans.  

To add to this I am active duty Navy and so is my wife.  We both support Bush and as do our friends.  I am not saying everyone in the military support Bush or even every action he takes.  But there is a strong majority of the military that do.  

I posted the the results of the poll to show that there are many American military that support Bush and what he does.  There tends to be a bias in the media that tends to only show the few military members that support Kerry, and rearly show the other overwhelming majority that support Bush.