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Maximumbeing

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« Reply #60 on: September 17, 2004, 04:00:00 PM »
Nemt, find me something specific that happened in 1994 that could have affected crime, a specific law, and then maybe I will accept your arguement.

You are so much better at insults and analogies though than you are at making an arguement.
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« Reply #61 on: September 17, 2004, 04:00:00 PM »
QUOTE (nemt @ Sep 17 2004, 03:47 PM)
So let's say a law was passed in 1994 banning aerosol cans.  Crime went down since then..dramatically.  Does the graph support this as well?

Rent a brain, dipshit, you don't know what you're talking about.

thats all well and good, but one at least follows logically...

sure there is no way of knowing for sure with all the factors but saying that there is abs no correlation between the ban and the drop is just as baseless as saying the ban was the sole reason...
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« Reply #62 on: September 17, 2004, 04:04:00 PM »
No, no, it's much more baseless, my base is that there is a direct correlation between the accessability of guns, and the violent crime rate.


It almost makes sense.
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« Reply #63 on: September 17, 2004, 04:07:00 PM »
QUOTE (Maximumbeing @ Sep 17 2004, 07:07 PM)
No, no, it's much more baseless, my base is that there is a direct correlation between the accessability of guns, and the violent crime rate.


It almost makes sense.

Step off your soapbox and think.

You're a criminal, you just have an extra $1000 lying around (for some reason).  You figure an assault rifle would make committing crimes even easier, so you go buy one, go through a clean background check, and have the ballistic fingerprint registered with local and state police.  NOW IT'S OFF TO CAP WHITEY!

Does that make sense?
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« Reply #64 on: September 17, 2004, 04:10:00 PM »
QUOTE (nemt @ Sep 18 2004, 12:10 AM)
Step off your soapbox and think.

You're a criminal, you just have an extra $1000 lying around (for some reason).  You figure an assault rifle would make committing crimes even easier, so you go buy one, go through a clean background check, and have the ballistic fingerprint registered with local and state police.  NOW IT'S OFF TO CAP WHITEY!

Does that make sense?

exactly
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« Reply #65 on: September 17, 2004, 04:11:00 PM »
What about calculative criminals like The Branch Davidians, or Charles Manson, these people are willing to wait to make their crimes perfect. This ban just makes it harder for people like that to get weapons, I see no reason that the average american needs an assualt rifle.
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« Reply #66 on: September 17, 2004, 04:12:00 PM »
No one needs a Humvee either, and I'm sure more people have been killed in car crashes involving Hummer brand vehicles than in legally acquired Assault Weapon murders.

Lack of necessity doesn't constitute a reason to ban something.
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« Reply #67 on: September 17, 2004, 04:14:00 PM »
If it's sole purpose is to KILL SHIT, then yes.

WMD's aren't necessary for your average citizen, but that doesn't mean we can't have them!
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« Reply #68 on: September 17, 2004, 04:15:00 PM »
QUOTE (Maximumbeing @ Sep 17 2004, 04:07 PM)
No, no, it's much more baseless, my base is that there is a direct correlation between the accessability of guns, and the violent crime rate.


It almost makes sense.

im not saying that there being a link is baseless, just the two extremes: it being the only cause, and it absolutely having no effect...

your argument still stands...  wink.gif

@nemt - know how a lot of criminals get guns (and no not all, but some... so dont go off on one just yet...)? they steal them from people who legally own them... some kid does a breaking and entering to take some jewelry or tvs or whatever, walks out with an assault weapon and is now heavily armed... thats great...

so, the ban not being in place would mean that there are more of such guns out in the world to get into peoples hands no matter how they get them...

plus i think some people here are trivialising how 'easy' it is to get guns illegally... its not exactly like going to the ubiquitous 'black market' as though it was a store...
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« Reply #69 on: September 17, 2004, 04:16:00 PM »
QUOTE (Maximumbeing @ Sep 18 2004, 12:14 AM)
What about calculative criminals like The Branch Davidians, or Charles Manson, these people are willing to wait to make their crimes perfect. This ban just makes it harder for people like that to get weapons, I see no reason that the average american needs an assualt rifle.

The branch dividians were being investigated because of suspicion of "gun running".  How would a ban affect them.  They didn't care either way.  The mansons used everyday household items, such as knives.
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« Reply #70 on: September 17, 2004, 04:17:00 PM »
QUOTE (Maximumbeing @ Sep 17 2004, 07:17 PM)
If it's sole purpose is to KILL SHIT, then yes.

WMD's aren't necessary for your average citizen, but that doesn't mean we can't have them!

The sole purpose of assault weaponry is to disable and discourage, but this holds true for all weapons, so by your logic, even knives should be illegal.

The bill of rights doesn't mention WMDs either.
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« Reply #71 on: September 17, 2004, 04:23:00 PM »
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The branch dividians were being investigated because of suspicion of "gun running". How would a ban affect them. They didn't care either way. The mansons used everyday household items, such as knives.


Had the guns been legal, they wouldn't have been under investigation at all, it would have been their right.

Would have sucked if Manson had used assualt rifles right?

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The bill of rights doesn't mention WMDs either.


It's an armament.

ARMament

It's really up to interpretation.
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« Reply #72 on: September 17, 2004, 04:25:00 PM »
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Would have sucked if Manson had used assualt rifles right?


Was Manson using registered guns? I don't see how that matters. If Manson could brainwash hippies, I bet he could buy an illegal gun. This ban changed nothing.
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« Reply #73 on: September 17, 2004, 04:31:00 PM »
Yeah, cause brainwashing hippies is so hard.

How can you say the ban has done nothing, look at the dramatic decrease in crime since the time the ban was implemented.

And please don't tell me theres no relation.
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« Reply #74 on: September 17, 2004, 04:38:00 PM »
QUOTE (Colonel32 @ Sep 17 2004, 07:26 PM)

I don't disagree with the point you are making, but that is a fallacy.


If it was the sole purpose then there would be nothing to discourage.

No arms makers builds civilian market guns under the assumption they'll be used for anything other than home defense or sporting.
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