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[Maximumbeing]

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Have a look at the crime rates for the world. Ill have you know that the highest crimerates are in places where assault riffles are banned, as in banned for real, not like the fake ban on assault riffles that we had. Guns in general are hard to come by in england, austrailia, germany, and france.

No matter how bad the rest of the world is with bans, it wont change the fact that our violent crime rate went down after the ban was passed.

[Maximumbeing]

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I dont give a shit if they are used for hunting or self defense. The foundign fathers gave me that right to own guns and it should never be questioned.

The founding fathers also seperated Church and State, but I still hear "under god" all the time.


Amendments are meant to amended, because as the times change, so must our laws.

[moistness]

QUOTE (K98 @ Sep 27 2004, 02:07 AM)

Your just a sheep

You got a problem with sheep?

[Maximumbeing]

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Its in the bill of rights and i think that means it cant be changed. I'm done posting on this topic, it's just too much antigun nonsense here

They wouldn't be called AMENDMENTS if they weren't meant to be AMENDED.

Feel free to be as retarded as your gun-flinging trigger-happy self pleases to be though.

[67thRaptorBull]

QUOTE (K98 @ Sep 26 2004, 09:07 PM)

I dont give a shit if they are used for hunting or self defense. The foundign fathers gave me that right to own guns and it should never be questioned. face it AWB is over and more restrictions will be comign down because they are useless and unconstitutional. Dont call me a hick either. Take a look at your sig someday. Your just a sheep

wow, talk about arrgoance and a big ass ego

[gto65l]

For something to be considered an assault rifle it must utilize more than one of the following:
A folding stock
A pistol grip
A grenade launcher
A clip that carries more than 10 rounds
A flash suppressor
A bayonet lug

1. Who really cares if your rifle has a folding stock or pistol grip.  Congratulations, your rifle is a few inches shorter and can be fired like a pistol, which are still legal by the way.

2. Grenades are still ILLEGAL, so go ahead and attach a laucher, you can't do anything with it.

3. The ban only made it illegal to produce new clips that can carry more than 10 rounds.  All you have to do is go to a gun show and pick up an older one that can hold more.

4. The flash suppressor is the only thing in this list that makes any real sense at all.

5. If some redneck wants to attach a knife to his rifle, lack of a bayonet lug is not going to stop him.  That's what duct tape and bailing wire are for.


Please note that someone can have any ONE of these items on their rifle and it would still be considered legal.  Therefore all of these items are prefectly legal to own and sell.  If someone really wants an assault rifle, all they have to do is assemble one.  So what exactly does the assault rifle ban really do?  NOTHING!

BTW, for anyone confused.  Silencers are STILL illegal to own by anyone without a class three liscense.  Those have nothing to do with the assault rifle ban.

[67thRaptorBull]

QUOTE (gto65l @ Sep 27 2004, 10:20 PM)

For something to be considered an assault rifle it must utilize more than one of the following: A folding stock A pistol grip A grenade launcher A clip that carries more than 10 rounds A flash suppressor A bayonet lug 1. Who really cares if your rifle has a folding stock or pistol grip.  Congratulations, your rifle is a few inches shorter and can be fired like a pistol, which are still legal by the way. 2. Grenades are still ILLEGAL, so go ahead and attach a laucher, you can't do anything with it. 3. The ban only made it illegal to produce new clips that can carry more than 10 rounds.  All you have to do is go to a gun show and pick up an older one that can hold more. 4. The flash suppressor is the only thing in this list that makes any real sense at all. 5. If some redneck wants to attach a knife to his rifle, lack of a bayonet lug is not going to stop him.  That's what duct tape and bailing wire are for. Please note that someone can have any ONE of these items on their rifle and it would still be considered legal.  Therefore all of these items are prefectly legal to own and sell.  If someone really wants an assault rifle, all they have to do is assemble one.  So what exactly does the assault rifle ban really do?  NOTHING! BTW, for anyone confused.  Silencers are STILL illegal to own by anyone without a class three liscense.  Those have nothing to do with the assault rifle ban.

ummm, your joking right??


the ban prevented the sale of certain guns, not guns accessories (and i realize those certain guns contained some or all of the above accessories) but you cant tell me a AR-15 is the same as a pistol, just with a few nice asseccories

[Baner]

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The founding fathers also seperated Church and State, but I still hear "under god" all the time.

Butch like the rest of'em, you migh tmake it on TV too. No one is forcing you to say the pledge of alliegnce, nor read the words on the dollar bill.


If you're going to say that they need to ban AR's for the reason of them being deadly, they why not ban pistols, shotguns, and hunting rifles for the same reason? Hell, follow in Austrlia's foot steps, it seemed to work over there...

[Maximumbeing]

I thought religion and state were meant to be kept seperate?

I didn't know it was, "religion is ok in state since non-religious people can ignore it."


Your arguement is shit.

[The unProfessional]

Why is this such a big deal.  How often does someone get wasted by a guy with an assault rifle?

Compare that to how often someone gets wasted by a pistol... you'll find pistols to be the real problem.  Any asshole could probably pick one up in the wal-mart parking lot, and no one would ever know.

[67thRaptorBull]

QUOTE (Baner @ Sep 28 2004, 04:36 PM)

Raptor your wrong. What gto said is exactly true. The older gun ban banned the guns, this new one only limits the number of "accesories". Silencers are illegal, Flash suppresors only decrease the amount of light, "flash", the gun gives off when fired. Yuo can still purchase pre-ban weapons, but they cost more. As far as anyone should be conserned, a pistol is as deadly as a ar-15. Many pistols hold anywhere from 7-15 rounds in their clip, as for a post-ban ar-15... 10. Of course, full-auto is still illegal, and burst fire shoots 3 rounds, but considering if you get hit by one round, your more than likely down. As for the Amednments, you're right they are meant to change, if need be, and there is no need be. Butch like the rest of'em, you migh tmake it on TV too. No one is forcing you to say the pledge of alliegnce, nor read the words on the dollar bill. If you're going to say that they need to ban AR's for the reason of them being deadly, they why not ban pistols, shotguns, and hunting rifles for the same reason? Hell, follow in Austrlia's foot steps, it seemed to work over there...

sorry, i was referring to the old ban, didnt know they switched it up a little now.........

im still saying, for all those people getting up tight, why???

if a pistol or shotgun or whatever is "deadlier" then why is someone like nemt saying assault weapons are needed for defense?
its hypocritical


but the bottom line is, any ban on any type of gun is a step in the right direction, no matter how flawed it is

[The unProfessional]

Nemt saying one thing and Baner saying another isn't hypocritical

[67thRaptorBull]

QUOTE (K98 @ Sep 28 2004, 10:37 PM)

Arghh..must not type..... That last quote just showed how little you know about this subject. does 1989 to 2004 equal 10 years? haha what a dumbass. you know nothing yet you speak on this topic like you do. Dont be worried because the media tricked you it tricks a lot of people who believe everything they hear is true when in fact it's far from the real truth.

sorry, i will now change my ways



yay, go guns, kill everything that breathes, white trash rules, i love guns, yay

[Ween311]

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yay, go guns, kill everything that breathes, white trash rules, i love guns, yay

Not to sound like I'm flaming you, but there are other uses for guns.  For example, did you know that shooting is an Olympic sport?  They use rifles and pistols.  I would hate to think of an Olympic athlete as white-trash.  (Except for Tonya Harding of course.)  

I know this doesn't add anything to the discussion of the assault weapons ban, but just to throw some more light onto what some people use guns for.

[67thRaptorBull]

QUOTE (Ween311 @ Sep 29 2004, 06:33 PM)

Not to sound like I'm flaming you, but there are other uses for guns.  For example, did you know that shooting is an Olympic sport?  They use rifles and pistols.  I would hate to think of an Olympic athlete as white-trash.  (Except for Tonya Harding of course.)   I know this doesn't add anything to the discussion of the assault weapons ban, but just to throw some more light onto what some people use guns for.

yea, i know that there are still people out there who like to shoot for sport and such

but now a days all i hear from people is "yea, assault weapons, now we can kill some n***ers" or "yea, now we can kill things better" and shit like that

i never here an intelligent reason as to why we need these specific guns

i mean, yes, i like guns to (going to my friends house, shooting his .22 or shotgun or even kentucky long rifle)

but what joy do these guns bring?