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[The unProfessional]

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The unProfessional Who do you think held off a massive offensive on Moscow? You got it... the Soviets. They had mal-trained troops and a shitty air-force. They had brigades of female pilots flying night-time attack missions in BI-PLANES... while soviet troops held off German armored and troop divisions. Pretty damn impressive with a poor army and a country in shambles, if you ask me.

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MaximumBeing Haha, just because it happened in "Enemy at the Gates", doesn't mean they actually did anything in the war.

You ass... none of what I said came from Enemy at the Gates.  Try reading a book for once.  

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It wasn't their resolve that helped them win the war, it was their body count.

My whole point was that they had terrible resources and managed to hold the front.  Apparently nations don't deserve credit unless they managed to defeat the enemy without taking casualties.

[gronne]

I just saw a trailer for a program about mr Murdoch aka G.O.P. They interviewed a former employee of msnbc. He said that they tried to copy all the techniques Fox use to get higher ratings. If they had two left-wingers on one side, they ALWAYS had three right-wingers on the other side. And Murdoch is a politician in the first place. They said that the americans just switched to Fox since they were even more pro USA than CNN.

Can anyone see the difference between USA and Soviet nowadays? All respect to the americans that are democrates by their own intelligence, but have you ever been less? Religion is the biggest trap in the world. Too bad the strongest nation in the world is the most sick and fanatic.

I mean republicans are so intelligent thinking they can force democracy upon nations like Iraq. I worked really well, didn't it? I never heard of suicide bombers from Iraq before. Terrorists are a MUCH bigger threat after Bush decided to "deal" with them, but I guess BJ will claim Bush has reduced them heavily. When will USA wake up from their sick dreams?

Jeti: You're fooled by your government, and you're only ready to die for their cause. You're their toy. Now, you probably won't die for nothing like a 1000 of your friends, but you should remember that what you're doing there, supporting one crazy president, is very unintelligent and extremely immoral. Your actions in Iraq will have, and already have, terrible outcome. You will have to live with this for the rest of your life. And if that's not a sin, then what is?

[melon]

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Your a complete retard and have no idea what your talking about.

your opinion which i feel is somewhat distorted and wrong. What makes you say I have no idea and what was wrong with what i wrote? BE specific instead of just attacking me.


I dont think it would have made your news but there has been a little girl from Iraq who is in the UK to raise awareness of civillian casulties. She lost 17 members of her family in one American bombing. She describes how before the war it was safe to play in the streets but now you cant leave your house.

[The unProfessional]

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You're fooled by your government, and you're only ready to die for their cause. You're their toy. Now, you probably won't die for nothing like a 1000 of your friends, but you should remember that what you're doing there, supporting one crazy president, is very unintelligent and extremely immoral. Your actions in Iraq will have, and already have, terrible outcome. You will have to live with this for the rest of your life. And if that's not a sin, then what is?

Luckily, Jeti is more aware of the entire situation than you are.  You also have apparently no respect for soldiers in general.  You're trying to put some superficial guilt trip on a guy like jeti, trying to threaten him with sin.  You have no idea what he's done or accomplished.  But from your air-conditioned room, with your xbox, everything's pretty straight, simple, and easy.

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Religion is the biggest trap in the world.

Then why are you threatening Jeti, a much more honorable human being than you, with religion?

[jeti]

so where does this little girl live? hoffia street? maybe downtown sadar city?
i'm sure there's streets in america (or all over the world, for that matter) kids can't play on. maybe i'm wrong. crime here is no different than anywhere else. so please, no more of that, "it's so bad there now," bull shit. the whole terrorist situation is world wide. i just happen to be in one part of it. i guess we will continue to be here until we get some help freeing this country from dictatorship. maybe the u.n. might help out, or the iraqi people might unite together and stand up against the insergents. who knows. then again, don't hold your breath.

[melon]

America has lost control of massive parts of Iraq where it is completely lawless. The girl was from Baghdad and her point was where she lives was safe but now it isnt, and that is consistent to what my friends family have ben saying, that is why they fled (her mothers side). You have kidnap gangs taking people so they can claim a financial prize. It is happening a lot to Doctors (of which a lot of my friends family are on both sides). Iraqi people are being kidnapped by Iraqi people on a daily basis. You wont see that side of it because when your on patrol your getting a different view of things. To show what i mean think of a police car patroling through a rough area, people will behave as it goes past but once it has gone...

[gronne]

QUOTE (The unProfessional @ Oct 2 2004, 09:49 PM)

Luckily, Jeti is more aware of the entire situation than you are.  You also have apparently no respect for soldiers in general.  You're trying to put some superficial guilt trip on a guy like jeti, trying to threaten him with sin.  You have no idea what he's done or accomplished.  But from your air-conditioned room, with your xbox, everything's pretty straight, simple, and easy. Then why are you threatening Jeti, a much more honorable human being than you, with religion?

I'd say that to every american soldier supporting the attacks in Iraq. And since most americans are christian, I referred to those who are. Why should I respect soldiers? I joined the army in Sweden and got out of there after two days, due to a severe leg injury. These two days were really tough, with some nazi-discipline. I went there only because I was desperate to get away from home, no other reasons whatsoever.

But for one resaon I'm glad I had to leave, the insanity. The little time we had to speak to eachothers was not fun, all they spoke of was how fun it would be tomorrow with the AK's we were to recieve. And how they're inspired of american films. My captain(don't know what grade that is in USA), stood in from of us and said "In USA they say, YES SIR! In sweden it's, JA KAPTEN". I just thought about how pathetique that comment was. Did he seriously think we didn't know we are not from USA? And then he said "I am your captain. I'm am the best you've ever seen. You can't fucking argue that!!". What a pathetique loser!! You see that's what being a soldier is all about. They're not there because they love their country and to serve it the best they can, that's a fake image. It's the POWER. The power to command orders and use otherwise illegal weapons.

A few of them were forced to be there, they didn't talk about AK's. And I'm certain they don't care about "serving" Sweden. ALL soldiers are toys, no matter how you twist it.

If they would ask me to protect my country I probably would. But if they would ask me to attack another nation I would refuse. They would have to throw me in jail. Being anti-violence, I felt like a hypocrite going there in the first place, so I'm glad I'm out. And I have NO respect for soldiers, and neither should I.

Sure, I love Sweden, but I also love Norway, Iceland, The Netherlands and Canada(most of the time). Should I defend those countries as well?

So please tell me UnPro, why I should show respect for soldiers. And please tell me how he knows more about the situation.

BTW, I don't have air-condition, and nothing's simple in this world.

[The unProfessional]

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So please tell me UnPro, why I should show respect for soldiers

Maybe you should ask why you SHOULD NOT show some respect for soldiers?  You're judging American soldiers based on an experience you had with one lameass drill sargeant who had a hard-on for the military (and wasn't even american).  Drill sargeants in basic training always have it in for cadets, making your job as difficult as possible.  They do that to wash out the those who're not sufficient as soldiers.

How does that give you a basis to disrespect Jeti, who you have read several times.  He clearly believes in what he is doing, and is not blindly occupying Iraq.  He knows he can't turn the country around on his own, but works everyday to make a difference.  Has he ever shown some sick enjoyment out of what he does?

You have the right to disrespect Jeti, but no reason to.

[drunkmunk]

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Why should I respect soldiers? I joined the army in Sweden and got out of there after two days, due to a severe leg injury. These two days were really tough, with some nazi-discipline. I went there only because I was desperate to get away from home, no other reasons whatsoever.

I guess people can only try to relate or judge other people by there own experience. I guess that explains this:

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They're not there because they love their country and to serve it the best they can, that's a fake image. It's the POWER. The power to command orders and use otherwise illegal weapons.

I don't how you can sit there and assume just because you joined your military for selfish reasons that others have done the same. I love my country and whether or not I agree with particular parts of our government doesn't change that fact. The fact that you weren't there out loyalty or a desire to defend your country helps explain why you quit like a little pussy after only two days.

As for your country emulating the american style of military discipline it could be worse... you ought to see the Republic of Korean (south) army. They beat the living shit out of there soldiers.

ps. yeah you do have a point I must confess I do enjoy shooting "illegal" weapons

drunkmunk

[gronne]

QUOTE (drunkmunk @ Oct 3 2004, 09:21 PM)

I don't how you can sit there and assume just because you joined your military for selfish reasons that others have done the same. I love my country and whether or not I agree with particular parts of our government doesn't change that fact.

Yes, my reasons were selfish...

So you blindly follow your government if they want you to fight a war you oppose of? Now you didn't, but let's say you did. Then it would be a pretty important part you disagreed with.

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The fact that you weren't there out loyalty or a desire to defend your country helps explain why you quit like a little pussy after only two days.

I used to be an asshole that got a kick out of violence, but that ended shortly after I signed up, and I could clearly see this pattern in my army-comrades. There wasn't much that resembled to intelligence in these guys. I didn't quit, but they didn't allow me to continue due to my leg injury. They did a physical test to see how well we did. Apart from the running-test, which I didn't participate in, I was the one that got the best result in all other tests in my 32-man company, so I wouldn't consider myself a pussy.

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As for your country emulating the american style of military discipline it could be worse... you ought to see the Republic of Korean (south) army. They beat the living shit out of there soldiers.

Did I ever say that the american army was considered tough? Navy-seal isn't a very big part of your army. And don't take South Korea as an example, try North Korea. The toughest army in the world is considered to be the French legionnaires, though.

UnPro: He wasn't my drill serjeant, though. My drill serjeants were my "Fänrikar". He was my captain, and I only met him once. He sure did scream a lot though.

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How does that give you a basis to disrespect Jeti, who you have read several times. He clearly believes in what he is doing, and is not blindly occupying Iraq. He knows he can't turn the country around on his own, but works everyday to make a difference. Has he ever shown some sick enjoyment out of what he does?

Would be interesting to see what psychologists would write if they did a thorough test in the whole army system. It's a bit hard to see what amusements he gets from a screen. And my blaiming goes out to all soldiers that were not forced in the army.

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yeah you do have a point I must confess I do enjoy shooting "illegal" weapons

Other use of words. Weapons DESIGNED to shoot other people, not grandpa's air-gun.

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who had a hard-on for the military

I bet you would be surprised if you knew how many in the army had that.

We unfortunately HAVE to have soldiers, simply because others do. Why not take the morons that think their lives can be wasted for nothing? They are now designing the swedish army to be "only" defence.

[drunkmunk]

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So you blindly follow your government if they want you to fight a war you oppose of? Now you didn't, but let's say you did. Then it would be a pretty important part you disagreed with.

I served in war because my country asked me too, I still proudly serve my country. If I come down on orders to go back to Iraq then that's what I'll do. Whether I think the war was or was not "just" doesn't really matter, as a soldier I do what I'm ordered to do as long as it isn't illegal (ie murder, robbery or stuff of that nature). There were plenty of times when I was in Iraq which I felt pretty disillusioned and found myself asking what the point of being there was. Jeti is doing the same thing right now. He'll have a few more tough times after he gets home and sees the same shit on the news every night and realize nothing is changing over there. But dealing with those feelings and enduring those hardships is what makes him a Soldier.

So sleep well and make sure you pull that warm little blanket of safety up over your shoulders knowing that there are men who would die for you if Sweden ever had to face a conflict.

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I didn't quit, but they didn't allow me to continue due to my leg injury. They did a physical test to see how well we did. Apart from the running-test, which I didn't participate in, I was the one that got the best result in all other tests in my 32-man company, so I wouldn't consider myself a pussy

so your telling me that your Army has no doctors and they don't allow for recovery in your Army? According to most Porn you have to have the hottest Nurse Brigade in the world. I'd probably get a groin injury.

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And don't take South Korea as an example, try North Korea.

Never seen them I've only seen the ROK Army train.

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The toughest army in the world is considered to be the French legionnaires, though.

Who considers them the toughest in the world? British SAS and our Delta and Special Forces are some pretty bad assed mother fuckers

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QUOTE  yeah you do have a point I must confess I do enjoy shooting "illegal" weapons  Other use of words. Weapons DESIGNED to shoot other people, not grandpa's air-gun.

Of course they're designed to shoot people. wouldn't do much good to take a spit wad or an air gun into Combat now would it?

[jeti]

sorry i have been away for a couple of days. i have been busy. i do think i am doing good over here. i have managed to learn enough arabic to nicely go in and search a house. politly ask the women to go to a designated room while we search. that is a big disrespect for them if you mistreat their women. i wish there was more language training reqired before deployments. the language barrier is a big problem here. i have to go. write back later.

[Arvarden]

"Of course they're designed to shoot people. wouldn't do much good to take a spit wad or an air gun into Combat now would it?"

What about Pork chops? That should get em running for cover.

[gronne]

QUOTE (drunkmunk @ Oct 4 2004, 03:20 AM)

so your telling me that your Army has no doctors and they don't allow for recovery in your Army? According to most Porn you have to have the hottest Nurse Brigade in the world. I'd probably get a groin injury.

Of course they allow recovery in the army, but they considered my leg injury as chronic. They decided it to be more of a problem to have me stay. And the female doctor that signed me off was really hot btw  

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Whether I think the war was or was not "just" doesn't really matter, as a soldier I do what I'm ordered to do

That's why I claim many soldiers are idiots. Sure, they are perfect for all nations governments, but still, idiots. Defending a nation is acceptible, but attacking is not. You still haven't helped the people of Iraq.

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So sleep well and make sure you pull that warm little blanket of safety up over your shoulders knowing that there are men who would die for you if Sweden ever had to face a conflict.

We are a peace loving nation(nowadays), and I don't fear we will be attacked in the next 20 years, after that I don't know though. But I doubt any soldier would fight for specifically MY rights to be free, then he's probably gay. And I doubt that you think about shooting someone for the love of your family.

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Of course they're designed to shoot people. wouldn't do much good to take a spit wad or an air gun into Combat now would it?

You really know how to miss the point, don't you.

[melon]

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So sleep well and make sure you pull that warm little blanket of safety up over your shoulders knowing that there are men who would die for you if Sweden ever had to face a conflict.

Just thought i would point out that the US didnt actually have to face a conflct but decided it would be a good idea. Americans have no idea what it means to face invasion and for your country to properly come under attack. Your Government chose this war as did mine.

I would be happier knowing that if push came to shove and we faced invasion that people would be prepared to die for this country, i would even sign up, but those days dont exist anymore.

And gronne your Swedish, every girl is hot!
(I should know I've had a few )