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rocky_2197

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« on: September 10, 2004, 01:00:00 AM »
Some background information to consider before the debates and before
you vote...

There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of
January..... In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the
month of January.
That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn
country of Iraq.
FDR... led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.
Truman... finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never
attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of
18,334 per year.
John F. Kennedy... started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never
attacked us.
Johnson... turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From1965-1975, 58,000 lives
were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.
Clinton... went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia
never attacked us.  He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
In the two years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has ...
liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put
nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and
captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.
The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...
It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch
Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.
We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less
time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the  Rose Law Firm billing
records.
It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to
destroy the Medina Republican Guard  than it took Ted Kennedy to call the
police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.
It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!
Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB! The Military moral is
high!
The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts.
You decide...
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2004, 07:42:00 AM »
well this changed my mind
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nemt

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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2004, 07:43:00 AM »
Where did you get this list from?  If you wrote it yourself that's pretty impressive.

I made a post a while about with an article outline a "what-if" scenario which would've followed, had Republicans in the forties behaved like the Democrats now.  It was a pretty good read...I'll have to go find it...
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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2004, 09:17:00 AM »
yeah, theres nothing better than a copy+paste...

dry.gif  rolleyes.gif

but im with thomes... ive most def changed my mind after reading this...  wink.gif

*and from what a great site...
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(BracePundit via NY Times) "Everybody told me, 'God, if you're coming to Canonsburg, you've got to find time to go to Toy's, and he'll take care of you,'" Mr. Kerry said, dropping the name of a restaurant his motorcade had passed on the way in. "I understand it's my kind of place, because you don't have to - you know, when they give you the menu, I'm always struggling: Ah, what do you want?

"He just gives you what he's got, right?" Mr. Kerry added, continuing steadily off a gangplank of his own making: "And you don't have to worry, it's whatever he's cooked up that day. And I think that's the way it ought to work, for confused people like me who can't make up our minds."

THATS relevant and objective...  dry.gif

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There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of
January..... In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the
month of January.
That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn
country of Iraq.

good point, maybe some attention should be paid to domestic matters...

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FDR... led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did.

which was a german ally, hense our entrance into the war...

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The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...
It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch
Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.

great analogy... they are very similar...  rolleyes.gif it might have taken less time to 'take' but how long will it take to calm?
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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2004, 02:03:00 PM »
QUOTE (rocky_2197 @ Sep 10 2004, 09:03 AM)
Some background information to consider before the debates and before
you vote...

There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of
January..... In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the
month of January.
That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn
country of Iraq.
FDR... led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.
Truman... finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never
attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of
18,334 per year.
John F. Kennedy... started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never
attacked us.
Johnson... turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From1965-1975, 58,000 lives
were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.
Clinton... went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia
never attacked us.  He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
In the two years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has ...
liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put
nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and
captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.
The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...
It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch
Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.
We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less
time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the  Rose Law Firm billing
records.
It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to
destroy the Medina Republican Guard  than it took Ted Kennedy to call the
police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.
It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!
Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB! The Military moral is
high!
The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts.
You decide...

Well, the US don't have the kind of weapons that we have today.  So the only way to fight them is to confront them so we probably lost a lot of lives then.  You didn't mention anything the way we fight wars after the Vietnam War.

The US is more Technologically advanced than the opponent is the reason why we are more powerful and have less people killed, not because of our Commander in Chief.

Unfortunately, today the enemies adapt by waging Gueralla wars which seems to drag on longer time than wars in the past.
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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2004, 02:16:00 PM »
So the commander-in-chief had nothing to do with any of the good things that happend in the middle east, but one bad thing occurs and it's all his fault? I Fucking hate ignorant people.
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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2004, 02:22:00 PM »
QUOTE (pug_ster @ Sep 10 2004, 05:06 PM)
Unfortunately, today the enemies adapt by waging Gueralla wars which seems to drag on longer time than wars in the past.

Every President has been afraid of social and political reprisal for letting the military fight a war the right way.  It's time to pull out of the radical hotbeds and send over the Enola Gay...but no one wants to admit it.
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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2004, 02:27:00 PM »
QUOTE (Baner @ Sep 10 2004, 10:19 PM)
So the commander-in-chief had nothing to do with any of the good things that happend in the middle east, but one bad thing occurs and it's all his fault? I Fucking hate ignorant people.

I would say in Iraq, it is probably worse than when Saddam was in Power.  At least when Saddam was in power you wouldn't see people shooting at each other in the streets.
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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2004, 02:29:00 PM »
QUOTE (pug_ster @ Sep 10 2004, 05:30 PM)
I would say in Iraq, it is probably worse than when Saddam was in Power.  At least when Saddam was in power you wouldn't see people shooting at each other in the streets.

Psst, that's what war is...people shooting at each other.
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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2004, 02:33:00 PM »
QUOTE (Spency234 @ Sep 10 2004, 05:35 PM)
His point is when Saddam was in power people weren't getting shot in the streets, because they weren't at war.

No, they were getting dragged out of their homes and then shot in the basement of a building.  Or they were being gassed to death.  Or they were being sent to die in war in Iran or Kuwait to conquer oil fields.
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« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2004, 02:35:00 PM »
QUOTE (nemt @ Sep 10 2004, 02:36 PM)
Or they were being sent to die in war in Iran or Kuwait to conquer oil fields.

hmmm, can anyone draw a parallel between this example and something else? anyone?
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« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2004, 02:39:00 PM »
I'm sure our commander-in-chief assisinates thousands of us a year because we oppose him, right?

edit: stupid grammer
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« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2004, 02:42:00 PM »
QUOTE (nemt @ Sep 10 2004, 10:25 PM)
Every President has been afraid of social and political reprisal for letting the military fight a war the right way.  It's time to pull out of the radical hotbeds and send over the Enola Gay...but no one wants to admit it.

Exactly, Bush underestimated what happened there because after he defeated Saddam's Military, he thinks it is easy sailing from there.  After removing troops from Iraq the Insurgents started popping up because Bush couldn't win the hearts and minds of the Iraq people.

The other day I saw a report from pbs about an embedded reporter in Iraq.  A reporter from the US don't want to be known that he is from the US because they fear trouble.  Most Iraqis thinks Americans are Occupiers.  The militia in Iraq are not 'rag-tag' people who are fighting in Iraq are not a bunch of idiots.  Some of them are actually College Educated and believe in what they are fighting for.
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« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2004, 02:44:00 PM »
QUOTE (Spency234 @ Sep 10 2004, 05:44 PM)
That's why he said "probably worse".  He didn't say they were better off then, but you definately did not make things better for them, if anything worse.

Now Iraqis have access to medical care, education, electricity and water, and other services they could only imagine before the liberation; and with the mass graves and torture chambers closed forever, they finally have a stable, safe future.
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« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2004, 02:52:00 PM »
QUOTE (nemt @ Sep 10 2004, 10:47 PM)
Now Iraqis have access to medical care, education, electricity and water, and other services they could only imagine before the liberation; and with the mass graves and torture chambers closed forever, they finally have a stable, safe future.

Iraqis had medical care, electricity, and water before the war.  Now, much of this stuff is being destroyed because the cities are a basically a battleground.  And more people in Iraq today believe that the Americans are the cause of this problem and join their cause to fight against the Americans.

Like I said, if the US can't win the hearts and minds of the Iraqis, the war is going to get ugly like the ongoing war in Cheznya.
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