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« on: September 02, 2004, 09:57:00 PM »

So, he comes out at midnight in Ohio, and bash Bush for 10 minutes? Finally, he talks in generic tone about what he wants to do. I think I could do a better job speaking on my behalf, than "I will.. help to make.. this country.. great." Kerry has nothing.

Yeah Kerry, we know you are against the war.. you don't have tor repeat yourself twice in one minute.

Hey Kerry, how is your track record in the Senate? Everyone is talking about it, why don't you defend yourself on it?

Bush is going to win this election in a landslide.
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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2004, 11:57:00 PM »

QUOTE (shanafan @ Sep 3 2004, 06:00 AM)
Bush is going to win this election in a landslide.

I think you underestimate how many people hate bush, and would rather vote for saddam himself than see dubbya serve another term.

PS i am not saying he will lose because i think he will win, its just i would be amazed if it was a landslide.
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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2004, 08:52:00 AM »

QUOTE (shanafan @ Sep 3 2004, 06:00 AM)
So, he comes out at midnight in Ohio, and bash Bush for 10 minutes? Finally, he talks in generic tone about what he wants to do. I think I could do a better job speaking on my behalf, than "I will.. help to make.. this country.. great." Kerry has nothing.

Yeah Kerry, we know you are against the war.. you don't have tor repeat yourself twice in one minute.

Hey Kerry, how is your track record in the Senate? Everyone is talking about it, why don't you defend yourself on it?

Bush is going to win this election in a landslide.

I'm sorry, but it seems you've just forgotten what it sounds like when a politician is capable of speaking english.

As for repeating himself twice in once minute.. Bush repeats himself every 5 seconds.  The terrorists have to go, the terrorists have to be stopped, we have to stop these terrorist killers, we have to stop misunderestimating the ability of human being to coexist with fish peacefully (ok, so that was a couple quotes in one.)

Hey Bush, how's your track record in the national guard?  Drug use?  Education?

If you're going to take a partisan cheapshot, at least think about the arguments on the other side first.
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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2004, 09:36:00 AM »

"I will be a better leader because, well, I don't want to bore you, so how about some nam stores?  Did you know I won three pruple hearts?"
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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2004, 11:31:00 AM »

The Bush administration has never challenged Kerry's record, additionally, he's been touting himself as a war hero since the primary.

Also, but has already proven he fulfilled his air national guard duty.
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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2004, 11:32:00 AM »

wow nemt good argument.  apparently you don't listen to him when he speaks.  Nothing close to that comes out.  The only reason it's in the limelight all the time is cause of people like you who for some reason are trying to discredit someone for NOT LEAVING HIS POST and for ACTUALLY GOING TO WAR.   It's hypocracy at it's best (or worst).  Come up with something that makes sense.  If the cantidates war record is that important then why vote bush?

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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2004, 11:36:00 AM »

A candidate's war experience isn't important in this, or any election.  The Kerry camp tried for months to make it into an issue, and when they finally succeeded, they get slammed with the truth (swiftvets), but I hardly see what that has to do with Bush.  I've also watched nearly every speech from both men, have you watched anything outside of the daily show and weekend update?
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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2004, 11:40:00 AM »

He is right, vietnam should have nothing to do with this election, oddly though it does. Also keep in mind most vietnam vets served at least 12 months, kerry only served 3-4.
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« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2004, 12:05:00 PM »

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A candidate's war experience isn't important in this, or any election. The Kerry camp tried for months to make it into an issue, and when they finally succeeded, they get slammed with the truth (swiftvets), but I hardly see what that has to do with Bush. I've also watched nearly every speech from both men, have you watched anything outside of the daily show and weekend update?


never even seen weekend update, i watch the daily show when it's on and i have nothing better to do, probably less than once a week.  I watch Fox news more than i watch CNN, CBS, or any other "news" channel.  Afterall it's the only news source that is "Fair and balaced" so why would i go anywhere else?




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He is right, vietnam should have nothing to do with this election, oddly though it does. Also keep in mind most vietnam vets served at least 12 months, kerry only served 3-4.


....... ok, he is a vet, is Bush?  Did bush go overseas to fight?  Was bush even at his national gaurd post the whole time?  If you're going to try and discredit someone's war record your guy's war file should be full of somethign other than
'absent"




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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2004, 12:33:00 PM »

QUOTE (thomes08 @ Sep 3 2004, 03:08 PM)
....... ok, he is a vet, is Bush?  Did bush go overseas to fight?  Was bush even at his national gaurd post the whole time?  If you're going to try and discredit someone's war record your guy's war file should be full of somethign other than
'absent"


thomes08, you are venturing into pure asshattery mode.

Going overseas to "fight" does not make one a vet, first of all. Becoming a full-fledged member of the armed forces (as both Bush and Kerry did) makes you a veteran.

Bush isn't running on anybody's war record. He's publicly stated, many, many times, that he respects Kerry for his service in the Navy, and doesn't question his valor or medals in any way.


Putting words into his mouth is certainly a truly dishonest thing to do, especially when he is on record as stating EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE.

As for Bush's records, they've all been found quite a long time ago, and additnionally:

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COL. WILLIAM CAMPENNI (retired) open public letter to Washington Times
8/24/2004 - A Navy Vet

Letters to the Editor

'Bush and I were lieutenants'

George Bush and I were lieutenants and pilots in the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron (FIS), Texas Air National Guard (ANG) from 1970 to 1971. We had the same flight and squadron commanders (Maj. William Harris and Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, both now deceased). While we were not part of the same social circle outside the base, we were in the same fraternity of fighter pilots, and proudly wore the same squadron patch.

It is quite frustrating to hear the daily cacophony from the left and Sen. John Kerry, Massachusetts Democrat, et al., about Lt. Bush escaping his military responsibilities by hiding in the Texas ANG. In the Air Guard during the Vietnam War, you were always subject to call-up, as many Air National Guardsmen are finding out today. If the 111th FIS and Lt. Bush did not go to Vietnam, blame President Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara, not lowly Lt. Bush. They deliberately avoided use of the Guard and Reserves for domestic political calculations, knowing that a draftee only stirred up the concerns of one family, while a call-up got a whole community's attention.

The mission of the 147th Fighter Group and its subordinate 111th FIS, Texas ANG, and the airplane it possessed, the F-102, was air defense. It was focused on defending the continental United States from Soviet nuclear bombers. The F-102 could not drop bombs and would have been useless in Vietnam. A pilot program using ANG volunteer pilots in F-102s (called Palace Alert) was scrapped quickly after the airplane proved to be unsuitable to the war effort. Ironically, Lt. Bush did inquire about this program but was advised by an ANG supervisor (Maj. Maurice Udell, retired) that he did not have the desired experience (500 hours) at the time and that the program was winding down and not accepting more volunteers.

If you check the 111th FIS records of 1970-72 and any other ANG squadron, you will find other pilots excused for career obligations and conflicts. The Bush excusal in 1972 was further facilitated by a change in the unit's mission, from an operational fighter squadron to a training squadron with a new airplane, the F-101, which required that more pilots be available for full-time instructor duty  rather than part-time traditional reservists with outside employment.

The winding down of the Vietnam War in 1971 provided a flood of exiting active-duty pilots for these instructor jobs, making part-timers like Lt. Bush and me somewhat superfluous. There was a huge glut of pilots in the Air Force in 1972, and with no cockpits available to put them in, many were shoved into non-flying desk jobs. Any pilot could have left the Air Force or the Air Guard with ease after 1972 before his commitment was up because there just wasn't room for all of them anymore.

Sadly, few of today's partisan pundits know anything about the environment of service in the Reserves in the 1970s. The image of a reservist at that time is of one who joined, went off for six months' basic training, then came back and drilled weekly or monthly at home, with two weeks of "summer camp." With the knowledge that Mr. Johnson and Mr. McNamara were not going to call out the Reserves, it did become a place of refuge for many wanting to avoid Vietnam.

There was one big exception to this abusive use of the Guard to avoid the draft, and that was for those who wanted to fly, as pilots or crew members. Because of the training required, signing up for this duty meant up to 2½ years of active duty for training alone, plus a high probability of mobilization. A fighter-pilot candidate selected by the Guard (such as Lt. Bush and me) would be spending the next two years on active duty going through basic training (six weeks), flight training (one year), survival training (two weeks) and combat crew training for his aircraft (six to nine months), followed by local checkout (up to three more months) before he was even deemed combat-ready. Because the draft was just two years, you sure weren't getting out of duty being an Air Guard pilot. If the unit to which you were going back was an F-100, you were mobilized for Vietnam. Avoiding service? Yeah, tell that to those guys.

The Bush critics do not comprehend the dangers of fighter aviation at any time or place, in Vietnam or at home, when they say other such pilots were risking their lives or even dying while Lt. Bush was in Texas. Our Texas ANG unit lost several planes right there in Houston during Lt. Bush's tenure, with fatalities. Just strapping on one of those obsolescing F-102s was risking one's life.

Critics such as Mr. Kerry (who served in Vietnam, you know), Terry McAuliffe and Michael Moore (neither of whom served anywhere) say Lt. Bush abandoned his assignment as a jet fighter pilot without explanation or authorization and was AWOL from the Alabama Air Guard.

Well, as for abandoning his assignment, this is untrue. Lt. Bush was excused for a period to take employment in Florida for a congressman and later in Alabama for a Senate campaign.

Excusals for employment were common then and are now in the Air Guard, as pilots frequently are in career transitions, and most commanders (as I later was) are flexible in letting their charges take care of career affairs until they return or transfer to another unit near their new employment. Sometimes they will transfer temporarily to another unit to keep them on the active list until they can return home. The receiving unit often has little use for a transitory member, especially in a high-skills category like a pilot, because those slots usually are filled and, if not filled, would require extensive conversion training of up to six months, an unlikely option for a temporary hire.

As a commander, I would put such "visitors" in some minor administrative post until they went back home. There even were a few instances when I was unaware that they were on my roster because the paperwork often lagged. Today, I can't even recall their names. If a Lt. Bush came into my unit to "pull drills" for a couple of months, I wouldn't be too involved with him because I would have a lot more important things on my table keeping the unit combat ready.

Another frequent charge is that, as a member of the Texas ANG, Lt. Bush twice ignored or disobeyed lawful orders, first by refusing to report for a required physical in the year when drug testing first became part of the exam, and second by failing to report for duty at the disciplinary unit in Colorado to which he had been ordered. Well, here are the facts:

First, there is no instance of Lt. Bush disobeying lawful orders in reporting for a physical, as none would be given. Pilots are scheduled for their annual flight physicals in their birth month during that month's weekend drill assembly - the only time the clinic is open. In the Reserves, it is not uncommon to miss this deadline by a month or so for a variety of reasons: The clinic is closed that month for special training; the individual is out of town on civilian business; etc.

If so, the pilot is grounded temporarily until he completes the physical. Also, the formal drug testing program was not instituted by the Air Force until the 1980s and is done randomly by lot, not as a special part of a flight physical, when one easily could abstain from drug use because of its date certain. Blood work is done, but to ensure a healthy pilot, not confront a drug user.

Second, there was no such thing as a "disciplinary unit in Colorado" to which Lt. Bush had been ordered. The Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver is a repository of the paperwork for those no longer assigned to a specific unit, such as retirees and transferees. Mine is there now, so I guess I'm "being disciplined." These "disciplinary units" just don't exist. Any discipline, if required, is handled within the local squadron, group or wing, administratively or judicially.

Had there been such an infraction or court-martial action, there would be a record and a reflection in Lt. Bush's performance review and personnel folder. None exists, as was confirmed in The Washington Post in 2000.

Finally, the Kerrys, Moores and McAuliffes are casting a terrible slander on those who served in the Guard, then and now. My Guard career parallels Lt.  Bush's, except that I stayed on for 33 years. As a guardsman, I even got to serve in two campaigns. In the Cold War, the air defense of the United States was borne primarily by the Air National Guard, by such people as Lt. Bush and me and a lot of others. Six of those with whom I served in those years never made their 30th birthdays because they died in crashes flying air-defense missions.

While most of America was sleeping and Mr. Kerry was playing antiwar games with Hanoi Jane Fonda, we were answering 3 a.m. scrambles for who knows what inbound threat over the Canadian subarctic, the cold North Atlantic and the shark-filled Gulf of Mexico. We were the pathfinders in showing that the Guard and Reserves could become reliable members of the first team in the total force, so proudly evidenced today in Afghanistan and Iraq.

It didn't happen by accident. It happened because back at the nadir of Guard fortunes in the early '70s, a lot of volunteer guardsman showed they were ready and able to accept the responsibilities of soldier and citizen - then and now. Lt. Bush was a kid whose congressman father encouraged him to serve in the Air National Guard. We served proudly in the Guard. Would that Mr. Kerry encourage his children and the children of his colleague senators and congressmen to serve now in the Guard.

In the fighter-pilot world, we have a phrase we use when things are starting to get out of hand and it's time to stop and reset before disaster strikes. We say, "Knock it off." So, Mr. Kerry and your friends who want to slander the Guard: Knock it off.

COL. WILLIAM CAMPENNI (retired) U.S. Air Force/Air National Guard Herndon, Va.



Kerry is the one who refuses to relent, continuing to make disparaging remarks about Bush, while not one single quote from Bush has said a bad word about Kerry's war record. For that matter, I don't even think he's said a bad word about the thing that SHOULD concern America: Kerry's record AFTER he came back from Vietnam with regards to his ties to hostile governments and anarchistic so-called "peace" movements.



What it boils down to is that you seem to be riding your bets on a pack of lies, which you yourself are gleefully willing to repeat and further exagerrate, while Bush takes the high road.

My "Bush favorability level" has risen yet again. The more I see of these dishonest tactics used by Kerry supporters, the more right it feels to elect Bush. Thank you for proving what Kerry is all about: Lies and deception.

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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2004, 12:39:00 PM »

I really don't care for Bush, though I am Republican in most of my views, but when I see a guy like Kerry so close to leading our country, it really does scare me how much of an opinion people get on things from mass media. Open yours eyes and turn on your bullshit wipers people, its clouding your vision. I try to sway as many as I can to vote for Bush, I fear the consequeneces of an office lead by Kerry.
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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2004, 01:09:00 PM »

QUOTE (nemt @ Sep 3 2004, 01:39 PM)
A candidate's war experience isn't important in this, or any election.  The Kerry camp tried for months to make it into an issue, and when they finally succeeded, they get slammed with the truth (swiftvets), but I hardly see what that has to do with Bush.  I've also watched nearly every speech from both men, have you watched anything outside of the daily show and weekend update?

wow, just for using the swift vets in your statement, you dont deserve to post again

how many of the 200 vets were actually near kerry, or actually served on his boat, 5-10, at the most

so, the other 190 are just fucktards for the republican cuase
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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2004, 01:17:00 PM »

I have no comment on the issue but I thought these would cheer you up.

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They certainly answer a lot of my questions.
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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2004, 01:18:00 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2004, 01:20:00 PM »

QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Sep 3 2004, 08:36 PM)
thomes08, you are venturing into pure asshattery mode.

Going overseas to "fight" does not make one a vet, first of all. Becoming a full-fledged member of the armed forces (as both Bush and Kerry did) makes you a veteran.

Bush isn't running on anybody's war record. He's publicly stated, many, many times, that he respects Kerry for his service in the Navy, and doesn't question his valor or medals in any way.

Well, because of Bush Dad's political connection, he ended up in the Air Force here in the US instead fighting in Vietnam.  And Cheney chickened out by dodging the draft.


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Putting words into his mouth is certainly a truly dishonest thing to do, especially when he is on record as stating EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE.

As for Bush's records, they've all been found quite a long time ago, and additnionally:

Kerry is the one who refuses to relent, continuing to make disparaging remarks about Bush, while not one single quote from Bush has said a bad word about Kerry's war record. For that matter, I don't even think he's said a bad word about the thing that SHOULD concern America: Kerry's record AFTER he came back from Vietnam with regards to his ties to hostile governments and anarchistic so-called "peace" movements. What it boils down to is that you seem to be riding your bets on a pack of lies, which you yourself are gleefully willing to repeat and further exagerrate, while Bush takes the high road.


Kerry wasn't on the offensive.  If you heard the speech from the 'angry,' senile Zell Miller speech, Kerry had to attack back because his whole speech was a total BS.  The only people who says that Kerry was weak on Defense was from the Repugs.

Well, the only thing I hear about Bush is that how he gloat about his failed war record on 'Terror' when Bush don't even describe who  the actually terrorists are.  He believed that Iraq has Al-Qaeda people and WMD.  However, Iran wants to start a nuclear missle program and has Al-Qaeda operate openly there.  Since our Iraq occupation, foreign Al-Qaeda from countries like Syria and Iran go to Iraq to cause trouble.

His speech yesterday about declaring war on 'Terror' will drag us into a WWIII with middle east.  Anybody with half a brain could probably be a better Commander-in-Chief than Bush.


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My "Bush favorability level" has risen yet again. The more I see of these dishonest tactics used by Kerry supporters, the more right it feels to elect Bush. Thank you for proving what Kerry is all about: Lies and deception.


You have to start describing what are those dishonest tactics because I don't know what you are talking about.

Bush, like Kerry before, got a after-the-Convention bounce.  Bush's speech will be forgotten in a few days and let's see when happens.
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