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[pug_ster]

QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Aug 26 2004, 09:04 PM)

Please, this is an example where the UN has done FAR WORSE for the situation than they've helped. The US has stayed on the side because it's a legacy problem of the French and Europe in general. There is genocide going on, all the while, Annan and company stammer and sputter instead of taking action. It would be ridiculous for the US to push a presence there while the UN supposedly has it in hand. Sudan is one of the most disgusting examples of UN ineptitude and evil since... ...oh yeah, since the UN ambulance used to cart around Palistinian gunmen to attack settlers. I'm disagree with the settlements, but the Wall has been a great boon, reducing attacks to an all time low. Why should we get involved here, either? We support Israel's right to built a fence/wall to prevent terrorists from attacking law abiding Israeli Jewish, Arab, and Christian women and children on buses and in shops. Anti-semitism is at an all time high, probably as bad or worse than Hitler-era Germany. This should trouble people - mostly because the reasons given (to hate Jews) are total bullshit. The whole Zionism thing is just a smoke screen. Israel exists, and they've kicked everybody's ass who tried to destroy them - and the Palestinians go mostly caught in the middle as their "Arab brethren" made unprovoked war. Do you side with the intolerance, racism, sexism of religious Islamist states, or with the democratic, tolerant, open state that is Israel? So tell me what we are supposed to do with that situation, anyway, that we aren't already doing? The Intifada is dead, and Arafat is hanging on by his fingernails. Even many of the Palestinians are willing to see the handwriting on the wall. Used and abused by their so-called allies, treated like second class citizens (Arab version of Gypsies, though the Palestinians are Jordanian, Syrian and Egyptian, to a large degree) to forward the Arab Street's goal to destroy the infidels and drive them from the "Holy Land".

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Hmmm... first off, Afghanistan is a pretty big place, even if you have 100k troops there... change does not happen overnight, but keep in mind, you certainly don't hear about much fighting going on there, unless it's a small band in the mountains. The Taliban and al qaida there are on the run, and the US has made great strides. Additionally, the UN is supposed to be helping us out there now, so other countries can pour their resources to help combat whatever threat you apparently still see there. The most important thing is to stabalize a non-radical government there, and prevent it from becoming a huge training camp and financier (through drug trade) of terror. BTW: the link you posted doesn't really state WHERE those drugs came from. It mentions the old source as Afghanistan, not as a current source, for al qaida supporting drug trafficking.

I'm sorry, I guess I wasn't specific enough about opium = Afghanistan so here it is.

http://www.time.com/...-674806,00.html

Yes, the changes won't happen overnight but US can do something if they at least double the amount of troops there.

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Actually, we've done quite a bit. It seems as though we have a lot of leverage in this sitation with China, which has put pressure on NK, and has far more reason to prevent NK aggression and terror in the region, due to it's new prosperity and trade ties to the West. There has been plenty of action and lots of focus by the administration there - but because you live and die by the media, you won't see it - the action is in covering a car accident in Basra, of course!

Right, the Bush administration put a lot of efforts in NK, when pigs fly.

http://www.washingto...-2004Jun23.html

[pug_ster]

QUOTE (pug_ster @ Aug 26 2004, 09:25 PM)

Well here's the account.  http://www.washingto...-2004Aug21.html http://www.boston.co...ry146s_defense/ The thing is that most of the people who countered his claim weren't in the boat with Kerry.  But about more than 100 yards away when they claimed that saw him.  But in the heat of the battle there in that day, would those Swiftboat Veterans for Lies do A) Tried to save the comrads in the boat which was hit and watch out enemy fire or B ) Look at Kerry's boat which they claimed ran away.  If those vets were in constant fire by Viet Cong and was looking at Kerry's boat to see if it was being hit or not, rather than saving their asses must be stupid or lying.

Ho Ho Ho, There was an account from one of the Swiftboat vets who says that those swiftboat veterians for Lies are really lying.  And it is from pro-bush website like foxnews?  This is the first...

http://www.foxnews.c...,130326,00.html

Here's another one from Lambert's local paper which is more detailed.

http://www.mailtribu...ies/01local.htm

So it does support my theory about them being too distracted to look at Kerry boat.

[SmallBusinessGuy]

QUOTE (67thRaptorBull @ Aug 26 2004, 09:26 PM)

this is a prime example of how blind people can be when they accuse the UN of doing a bad job.......... The UN only works when a majority of the major countries back the plan/war/event at hand together but since the US never gets directly involved in UN affairs (Iraq, Palenstine, Sudan) the places turn to shit look at iraq, its a shitstorm of constent and never ending resistance fighters, and the place itself is a fuck whole, and look at sudan and palenstine.... what do they all have in common......... either the UN, or the US is taking care of the problem BY THEMSELVES

Listen robot, do not try to defend the UN, it is another failed experiment in the same way the LON was (although that was mainly because we refused to participate). The UN doesn't work, and never will, mankind is too selfish which is what makes us so beautiful. Again I must request that you not debate politics until you are 18, you cannot vote therefore you have no voice, so it is pointless and futile for you to think that anyone will care about what you have to say.

Then again you aren't 18 and you know everything, or at least more than me.

[SmallBusinessGuy]

Exactly.

[67thRaptorBull]

QUOTE (SmallBusinessGuy @ Aug 27 2004, 12:21 PM)

Listen robot, do not try to defend the UN, it is another failed experiment in the same way the LON was (although that was mainly because we refused to participate). The UN doesn't work, and never will, mankind is too selfish which is what makes us so beautiful. Again I must request that you not debate politics until you are 18, you cannot vote therefore you have no voice, so it is pointless and futile for you to think that anyone will care about what you have to say. Then again you aren't 18 and you know everything, or at least more than me.

at it again

if all you can do is attack my age, then go ahead, at least i know youll never be able to make a valid arguement about politics, sense you havnt already

the UN is failing because nations like (or should i say because of) the US doesnt do its part to support the UN, instead it takes matters into its own hands

[thomes08]

QUOTE (SmallBusinessGuy @ Aug 27 2004, 06:21 PM)

Listen robot, do not try to defend the UN, it is another failed experiment in the same way the LON was (although that was mainly because we refused to participate). The UN doesn't work, and never will, mankind is too selfish which is what makes us so beautiful. Again I must request that you not debate politics until you are 18, you cannot vote therefore you have no voice, so it is pointless and futile for you to think that anyone will care about what you have to say. Then again you aren't 18 and you know everything, or at least more than me.

i think you give yourself too much credit, you're probably 18 and love the fact that you can now buy your own cigs and can vote.  You've posted in here like 6 times you shouldn't be making the kinds of judgments you made here

thomes08

P.S.  "Robot"   good one!  

[The unProfessional]

Actually, the US does more than it's part to support the UN.  Read up on it a bit.

[Mr. Chips]

Any links?
also a UN resource site would be nice too.
...it seems like they don't help as much with foreign aid as major charities do.

[67thRaptorBull]

QUOTE (The unProfessional @ Aug 27 2004, 05:56 PM)

Actually, the US does more than it's part to support the UN.  Read up on it a bit.

like what?


start a war without UN help/approval, then beg for it?

[SmallBusinessGuy]

Man I'm so glad you can't vote.

[Maximumbeing]

I love how you people seem to think that the government hands out purple hearts like candy, then again, not all of our elected officials can just burn 10 years of their lives being alcoholics, *cough* BUSH *cough*, so maybe there's a chance that he actually did earn them.


Then again, it's so much easier to watch the Fox media strongarm our population into national retardation.



Don't vote.

[The unProfessional]

How does fox strong arm?  Everyone has the choice of whether or not to turn their TV to Fox, or read the Washington Post, or perhaps go to a less biased source.

Interesting how an opinion other than yours denotes "mental retardation."

[Wong Hung Lo]

QUOTE (Maximumbeing @ Aug 28 2004, 12:46 PM)

I love how you people seem to think that the government hands out purple hearts like candy, then again, not all of our elected officials can just burn 10 years of their lives being alcoholics, *cough* BUSH *cough*, so maybe there's a chance that he actually did earn them. Then again, it's so much easier to watch the Fox media strongarm our population into national retardation. Don't vote.

I think Ted Kennedy has burned alot more than 10 years.  

[Dark_Link2135]

i always get a good laugh when people call the swiftboat veterans for truth a bunch of filthy liars, or something to that extent.

lets take a return to logic here, shall we?

here we have on one side about 200 or so guys who served with kerry saying kerry lied about parts of his service in vietnam.

on the other we have kerry and a few faithful (well maybe not a few, but you get the picture) democrats saying kerry is truthful and he woudl never lie.

well we know already kerry lied about being in cambodia on christmas.  and i highly doubt kerry is going to come out and say "i lied" or his faithful democrats.

then we have 200 people saying he did lie, hmm, are you calling 200 vietnam war veterans liars?

personally, i think the truth lies somewhere in between.

i really get a kick out of people who think one political side is all right and the other is all wrong.  thats stupid, bigoted, and completely untrue and illogical.  thats why, even being a conservative, i have absolutely no respect for rush limbaugh.  

also consider this, if kerry won a silver star, a bronze star, and three purple hearts in only 3 and a half months, and actually did something to deserve them, he would be the most decorated soldier in the history of the united states, better even then audie murphy from wwii.  anyone with sense knows that is a buch of bs

[Dark_Link2135]

QUOTE (HeLiuM @ Aug 28 2004, 09:38 PM)

Fox lures people in with its illusion of fair and balanced media.  The sad thing is, most people who watch fox news are entirely unwilling to admit its even a little conservative (take nemt for example, who calls it moderate).  Whether they actually believe it or not, who knows. Just to completely change the subject, here goes the Bush belly flop!

okay...fox is biased because they show both sides of the issue.  im not saying they are unbiased, because they definitely have a conservative slant.

but what most people are thinking of is that they show pro-conservative spots as well as pro-liberal.

as opposed to other networks that just show pro-liberal stuff, and gleam over the pro-conservative stuff

just because someone is actually willing to actually show both sides of a campaign and not consistently bash bush and praise kerry, (obviouslty not right out in the open, but they do this thru comments they slip in, spots they show (or dont show) etc..), does not make the network biiased

howeever fox usually does give the republican the last word, and tends to give more air time to pro-republican spots then pro-democratic spots