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[Maximumbeing]

Let's just pretend for a moment that Fox hasn't strongarmed you into mental retardation, I'm not saying that Kerry hasn't lied, but when someone says he hasn't earned 3 purple hearts...that's just stupid, you can't just walk up to someone, tell them a heroic story, and expect to get a purple heart, it involves witnesses and such.

And agreed, Ted Kennedy is alot worse than Bush.


How do these people get reelected?

[thomes08]

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then we have 200 people saying he did lie, hmm, are you calling 200 vietnam war veterans liars?

200 nam vets that are republican sure have something to gain from lying.  I like how they say he lied when there were only 3 people on the boat, in the dark, under fire, and somehow people had the time to look at kerry and see if he earned his purple heart.



fox news is really easy to pick apart.  For example The O'R Factor.
Bill slams dems the whole time while saying stuff like "fair and balanced" and "we give the facts, you decide">  The republicans get more air time, and they are cut off almost every time they make a good point.  Bill interupts when he's losing a debate on a subject to point fingers at something unrelated like a child.  Then because it's obvious his show is slanted but yet he says it's not, he invites his late night lover Newt or some other sleezball kerry basher on there for a one on one interview.
(example, made up)
Newt  "kerry sucks, he's a traitor"
Bill "oh come on he served his country"
Newt  "he's a liar about the medals"
Bill "Well maybe so but he's not a bad guy, he's respectable"
Newt "no he's not"
Bill "well we'll let the audience decide"

He half assed defends kerry when he's interviewing just a republican, and expects his audience to actually believe he's defending kerry PROVING his show is "fair and balanced".  It's ashamed his "robot" audience doesn't know he's not really defending kerry to these republicans, he's doing it like a democratic mick-garvey making the issues the democrats defend look like futile lies.

It's a shame people actually fall for that stuff though



thomes08

[67thRaptorBull]

QUOTE (Dark_Link2135 @ Aug 28 2004, 03:49 PM)

okay...fox is biased because they show both sides of the issue.

wow

[xFusioNx]

Yeah OK. 200 Vietnam vets are lying about John Kerry's performance at an event that took place that had less than 2% of them there. Not only that, but all the people closest to the action side with John Kerry's version. (i.e. the people on his boat) Oddly enough, all the people who have trouble deciphering what happened were many, many yards away. Regardless, it's not my place to argue about what happened there because I was definitely not even around, let alone there. But wait, that's the same thing for about 197 of the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth".

The real reason behind these douche bags is:

1. They are Republican
2. They are Pro-War and most of them are extreme biggots (ask a Vet what they think about Iraq and you'll hear your fair share of biggotry)
3. They hate John Kerry because he returned to America and protested the Vietnam war.

4. THE REAL REASON: They think he is a traitor and a rat. He came back and testified about war crimes being commited by US troops. Talk about a stab in the back from a "family member". They hate his guts now and feel he isnt fit to lead because he ratted them out.

Oh well. At least he's as honest as you can expect a politician to be.

They can all go to hell and give up the act. The pentagon has reviewed the statements and awarded medals according to eye witness and 1st party testimony. Oh and guess what that was 30 years ago.

Get over it.

[cromat44]

QUOTE (SmallBusinessGuy @ Aug 27 2004, 09:21 AM)

Listen robot, do not try to defend the UN, it is another failed experiment in the same way the LON was (although that was mainly because we refused to participate). The UN doesn't work, and never will, mankind is too selfish which is what makes us so beautiful. Again I must request that you not debate politics until you are 18, you cannot vote therefore you have no voice, so it is pointless and futile for you to think that anyone will care about what you have to say. Then again you aren't 18 and you know everything, or at least more than me.

wow.... thats just sad......

also i like how your profile says "Helping To Fight The Good Fight Against Corporate America" when you are either

a ) supporting the xbox, a product of MS, which is part of corporate america, a very big part.
b ) an idiot for posting on an xbox forum when you don't support the xbox


IM gonna get flamed.... i just stoped debating the main topic here because what i say has no effect on these people, so what's the point?

[pug_ster]

QUOTE (Dark_Link2135 @ Aug 28 2004, 09:44 PM)

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i always get a good laugh when people call the swiftboat veterans for truth a bunch of filthy liars, or something to that extent. lets take a return to logic here, shall we? here we have on one side about 200 or so guys who served with kerry saying kerry lied about parts of his service in vietnam. on the other we have kerry and a few faithful (well maybe not a few, but you get the picture) democrats saying kerry is truthful and he woudl never lie. well we know already kerry lied about being in cambodia on christmas.  and i highly doubt kerry is going to come out and say "i lied" or his faithful democrats. then we have 200 people saying he did lie, hmm, are you calling 200 vietnam war veterans liars?

200?  If I was not mistaken, about 20 of them served with Kerry.  So that leaves about 180 of them never knew Kerry during the war say that he was a liar...  For all I know that I could say you are a liar and I have never met you either:)  

http://www.foxnews.c...,130326,00.html

Meanwhile, I mentioned earlier in the thread the other 20 vets who are actually there are too distracted to be looking at Kerry boat.  Look at the FOXNEWS article.

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i really get a kick out of people who think one political side is all right and the other is all wrong.  thats stupid, bigoted, and completely untrue and illogical.  thats why, even being a conservative, i have absolutely no respect for rush limbaugh.  also consider this, if kerry won a silver star, a bronze star, and three purple hearts in only 3 and a half months, and actually did something to deserve them, he would be the most decorated soldier in the history of the united states, better even then audie murphy from wwii.  anyone with sense knows that is a buch of bs.

Well, by that comment, I would say that you are not a Vet.  While Bush's 'war wounds' was 2 silver fillings in his teeth, Kerry got shrapel wounds volunteering in Vietnam.  And of all the things he did, he volunteered as being a swiftboat captain and a swiftboat is essentially a moving target.  Maybe that could explain why he has seen more action which got those purple hearts.

The thing is that right now it is a 'he said, she said' kind of deal of the accounts.  However, the accounts from the Swiftboat Vets for Lies doesn't add up and the Records at that time indicicate Kerry was telling the truth.

[brandogg]

Just adding my 2 cents - if you're gonna let Kerry's Vietnam record decide your vote, YOU DON'T DESERVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE. I'll tell you this, John Kerry will not win, and I doubt it will even be close. He'll get California, but not Florida (insert lame, old, completely predictable joke here), and maybe Idaho or something. Kerry doesn't even know what he's running for, he can't make up his mind on what he wants, and all he seems to care about is health care. I would never vote for this joker. I think it's a shame that he even got the nomination from the Democratic party.

If you think going to war with Iraq was wrong, then you don't deserve to vote. Our backs were against the wall. Kerry said along the lines of "we know for a fact Saddam has weapons of mass destruction, including biological weapons, and is, and has acted like a terrorist". He also voted to give Bush the right to take us to war, but now he's turning back into an anti-war sissy like he did after Vietnam. We would have never had to go to war if Saddam allowed inspections by the UN. If someone is being that shady, especially a leader of a radical nation like Iraq, a person who murders hiw own citizens and has no value for any human life other than his own, then they've got something to hide, and something has GOT to be done to take them out of power.

Anyway, I'm rambling - Bush will win, we will eventually pull out of Iraq, and you'll all be thanking him for being such a great president and for your protecting you and your families.

[The unProfessional]

So the O'reilly factor is the best way to judge the entire fox network?  That's like judging NBC by Will and Grace (no, I have nothing against homosexuality... it's just a terrible, terrible show).

P.S. Supporting a product like the xbox doesn't make you a hypocrate in being against corporate over-influence.  That's like saying you have to raise your own dairy cows or you're a corporate twit.  As a small business owner, I can say that from our perspective, large corporations conduct amazingly harsh business practices, and rarely express a sense of ethics.  I believe he's trying to rally behind that idea.

[The unProfessional]

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if you're gonna let Kerry's Vietnam record decide your vote, YOU DON'T DESERVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE

Same goes for any president.  War track records mean shit in politics... but we Americans love the notion of a "hero".  Fits wonderfully in our hollywood-poisoned minds.  Shooting VCs (and in turn taking a few bullets yourself) doesn't necessarily make a good, or bad president.  Vote on other grounds.

[pegasys]

brandogg: Your arugument may have worked pre-war in Iraq, but the fact is is that we found no WMD's.  He really had nothing to hide.  It has been shown that other countries like Iran had larger connections with terrorist networks that iraq did. I was also wondering if you knew anyone who fought in Iraq and dies or was maimed.  Will you then think it's worth it to go to war without a reason.  And you say that Kerry turned his back on Vietnam like an "anti-war sissy" WTF is that supposed to mean, he risked his life in a war that he later realised was wrong and descided to speak his mind about it.  Kerry as with the whole country was mislead by the Bush administration into thinking that Iraq was an imminent threat.  Now we know that they were not a threat and the truth has come out that threre really were no WMD's so he changed his mind, is that so wrong?  IF Bush had changed his mind, stepped back and said, "My bad I was wrong, I have caused the death of many young american men and boys."  he may be getting my vote, but he didn't he still keeps out boys there fighting for nothing but their lives.  Another question, do you like war, if you think being anti-war is being a sissy, then you are and idiot.  I would voulenteer and fing and die for a worthy cause, but I will not figh for Bush a joke of a president who is too stubborn to realise that this "war" is wrong.  He has done nothing to protect my family, all he has done is spawn more hate for America, thus creating more chances for terror.  And healthcare is very important, the economy, is important, our national deficit is important, and Bush has hurt everysingle one of these things.  In war time the economy usually soars, I am at a loss as to how Bush managed to make it go down.

[thomes08]

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If you think going to war with Iraq was wrong, then you don't deserve to vote. Our backs were against the wall.

our backs were against the wall?!?!  wow, that's a new one.  I don't want to call you a retard cause people do that way too much on here, but...wow, i think you don't know what you're talking about.  Please elaborate i may be wrong.
Also, if we don't agree with you, we shouldn't vote?  I have no idea how old you are, but you're acting like a 7 year old.  "no, i'm right, you're wrong, end of story.  My way is best, you don't deserve to vote, waaaaaaaaaa!"

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Kerry said along the lines of "we know for a fact Saddam has weapons of mass destruction, including biological weapons, and is, and has acted like a terrorist"

ummm yeah, bush told kerry and the rest of the world along the lines of "Saddam has wmd's and is going to use them.  Be afraid, be very afraid.  I'll raise and then lower, raise and then lower the threat level so people are afraid and think there is a threat of terror so they support my war.  Oh and by the way, don't think about bin laden anymore, i've diverted your attention away from that now, saddam was involved even thought every source in the world tells me he wasn't"

you may trust everything that comes out of walker's mouth, but a lot of people, including kerry, have learned better.


no matter what your age, grow up

thomes08


yeah and don;t refer to the leader of any nation as "shady", it makes you sound like some wigger punk high school drop out, even though i doubt you are it just makes you sound like one

[thomes08]

Have you ever watched CNN?  I watch it but probably not as much as i watch fox news.  And CNN is not NEARLY as slanted as fox is.  They don't have "political analysts" that give one side of the story and just smirk at the other side while giving either false accusations or not even interviewing a competant person from the other side.  They don't feed people the phrase "fair and balanced" while not giving people a fair and balanced news report.  They hardly even give news reports, they mostly just have opinions shows for republicans to just back on dems all day.  Watch CNN and you will find news, not opinions.  I know you're going to be looking for dem baised opinions but you'll have trouble finding it.  In my local paper the showed that 21% of dems watch CNN for their news and 19% republicans watch CNN for their news.  Only a 2% difference.  But fox news had 35% republicans and 19% dems, a 16% difference.  If CNN is sooo baised, why would a pretty much equal percentage of dems and republicans watch it?  Also if Fox didn't exists to please a 16% republican hike, CNN would probably be outnumbered by republicans.  So you can say all you want about CNN being biased towards liberals, but if thats the case it doesn't even compare to fox.

I'm not saying kerry didn't have anything to gain from lying, thanks for putting workds into my mouth.  But i think it's pretty stupid of you to believe that those 200 vets for lies are telling you the truth when fox news doesn't agree with the, and GWB doesn't either.  It's like me and 199 other people on this forum telling people that you lied about what you ate for breakfast this morning, while your family and your dog and you are saying what you really had.  If he didn't earn his medals he wouldn't have 30 years ago.  If he lied about them people would have brought it up 30 years ago, if republicans would stop bringing up this subject, and iraq (which is just opinion anyways) some real homeland issues might actually surface and you won't have anything to defend walker with.  

Take your focus off what kerry did in the war, cause all it's doing is showing that your guy didn't go.  This was a horrible war, and shouldn't have happened.  Neither Kerry nor Bush should have been expected to go to war.  This is a republican war we're in now, and the republicans are the ones who think we're hero's for going to war.  So why knock somebody who actually fought for our country, while praising somebody who avoided it?  Asnwer that question.  Just try and answer it without sounded like the child of fox news and Rush?

for fucks sake let the war stuff go and focus on what actually matter, our country.  Why don't you focus on heathcare which if you don't think is a major issue you should be without healthcare.  Why don't you focus on the economy?  Why don't you focus on what we could have done with the 135 billions dollars spent on this war (just fucking think for a few minutes what that could have done for our country)?  Why don't you focus on our deficit?  Why don't you focus on how kerry wants to better our homeland security, not the homeland security of a country we destroyed and now needs it from us?  Why don't you focus on pushing to find the man responsible for over 3000 lives in 2001?  Why don't you take the focus away from the 2 things you have and look at other issues.  The next four years won't just have the iraq war, and john kerry's war record thrown at us, and hopefully the debates will point that out to people who are blind to that fact

thomes08

[nemt]

When was the last time a known conservative gave a news report on any channel besides Fox News?  Whenever a conservative is on CNN or MSNBC, they're there to be the token right winger, and are clearly labelled as such...whereas liberals and registered democrats repeatedly are placed in anchor roles.

[thomes08]

the anchors on CNN do not give their own opinions, there is such a thing as news without opinions.  News is what went on in the world, Fox News is telling what goes on, while smearing one side to make theirs look better.

anyways who cares, talk policy.  talk stuff that matters.  

Environment: like it or not, will chage your future.  The ways things are going now we're fucvking it up while not spending enough to find better alternatives to things such as oil.  We need to sign the Kyoto treaty instead of ignore it.

Healthcare Vs. Heated Steering Wheel:  You can choose not to believe this and be blind to it.  But there are people, probably people you know, or indirectly know, that are suffering with this.  There are people who have to sacrifice some food for medicine, there are people who do not get the medical attention they need to live comfortably.  We are now solving this problem by letting people who have more money than they know what to do with off the hook.  What's more important... A woman who needs her heart pills, or a woman who wants to spend the extra couple hundred dollars on having a heated steering wheel in her BMW.

Welfare:  People who don't know welfare first or second hand have no idea what it can do.  People ARE NOT having more kids so they can get more in welfare.  The amount of money welfare gives for an extra child does not exceed or even equal the cost of supporting that child.  People who are on welfare on NOT on it just to be bums and get free money. Why don't you think homeless people are getting welfare?  Because they are bums and they dont try.  In order to be accepted into the welfare program you MUST show the agency that you are trying.  Not just say "i'm trying really hard".  You have to show proof of filling out aplications.  The agency even calls potential employers to see that you have done so.  Choose to be sheltered but there ARE people who are trying a hellofa lot harder than you or I in life and are recieving welfare.  They just didn't have the opportunity like many of us had, and it's easy for privledged people to ignore that.  It's like those rich people saying "money isn't everything".  Well it is if you don't have any and have a family to support.  This is another problem in America that can be helped by not letting that woman have her heated steering wheel.

Homeland Security:  HOMEland security does NOT mean attacking another country for no reason.  If you think Kerry is going to let up on this subject then you probably haven't even given the other side the respect to look at the issues.

Foreign Policy:  there are over 6 billion people in the world, the US makes up about 5% of that number.  Face it we're not the only people that live on this planet and we need to redevelope a foreign policy to gain friends again.  Like him or not Clinton had a great foreign policy and the if the next president does half a good a job as he did we're heading in the right direction.  All great empires eventually fall...FACT!  If i'm alive when we fall i don't everyone to turn their backs on us like we have on them.  "Everyone who isn't with us, is against us" is a statement that the rest of the world deserves an apology for.  We can't insult our friends by calling them enemies ever again, or it may come true.


There are many more issues that should be brought to people attention other than somethign that has to do with war.  Think about how sad that is for our country, the only political topics people are bringing up are the ones that have to do with war.  We need to grow up and look at issues that affect us and the people of this nation.




thomes08

[pegasys]

.  It's too bad that some of the "steadfast leaders" on here cannot absorb any of it.  My only hope is that you bush supporters learn the facts an help pull our country out of the shit heap it's in now.