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« Reply #120 on: July 23, 2004, 05:45:00 PM »

Stage 3. Bargaining - So what if there weren't any WMD's and Saddam didn't assist
Al-Qaeda, we're bringing them freedom and democracy. We're doing good work,
we're rebuilding their country, the war was a good thing, look at all the
freedom and democracy. The Abu-Ghraib wasn't so bad, Saddam did the same thing,
see we're not so bad.

And since when are they being allowed to choose their leader.  Isn't the US appointing one for them?
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« Reply #121 on: July 23, 2004, 07:13:00 PM »

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heres my two cents

3 kinds of people on this forums, liberals, neutrals, and conservatives (well think of your own good title if you are so creative)

1.  Conservatives are a bunch of stupid hippocrytes blind to the truth.  The war is screwed, the economy is screwed, bush did everything wrong, america is crap, the world is more dangerous, america is going down the porclain pisshole.  all americans are evil, and want to torture prisoners.  colin powell and dick cheney should resign because they were tortuing prisoners.  bush is an idiot hick texan moron who stole the election and isnt really our president and screws around every weekend on his ranch fishing instead of taking care of the country.  he spends too much has no idea what the hell hes doing, and should die.  let gays have what they want, they are people too.  bush split the united states and because of him we all hate eachother.  Changing one's mind isn't a bad thing, in the face of a mistake. Why is that such a sin? This war is not to be supported, as iraq has nothing to do with our security, no matter wjat magical tale you beleive in, but you should feel sorry that innocent men are dying because George Bush has his head up his ass.  also, moores film was good, you just dont like it because it shows bush at his dumbest (yes, i know its biased towards this administration, thats why i like it) clinton's 30 minute affair screwing in office with monica had no effect on him and was totally unrealated to his presidency impeach Bush for lying to america anout many issues, for putting fear into americans, and for being completely incompetant.  The president attacked us with lies to put fear into our homes. Then he sends our children to fight a war that shouldn't be fought.  as the Commander In Chief, you cant just send those people off to die for lies and oil. he clearly lied to us, if not, wheres the WMD's  show me some proof WMD's exsisted in Iraq.....o wait, you cant cuase they never did  Bush FUCKED up beyond all belief. If you honestly don't think he did, then you are a lemming. You are that person who watches the nightly news and believes every single thing you see.




2.  Okay, some of what the both parties say is right.  The war has had some success, but there is a lot that needs improved.  We really shouldnt have gone to war, but with the intel we had beforehand, i suppose i would have made the same decision.  The economy isnt 100% pure gold success, but it is improving, but too slowly.  Bush is not completely evil, he doesnt want americans to die for oil, but for gods sake, stop insisting you were right about womd, reasons for going to war, etc.  And he has made plenty of mistakes.  Kerry is not God, Bush is not the Devil.  Some of bush's plans would screw america, and some of kerry's plans would screw america.

3.  Liberals are evil, they are a bunch of pessimists who refuse to see the good side of things.  All they can preach is hate, hate, hate.  Sadaam was a massive threat to the united states, and would have blown us up with his nukes.  The economy is improving 100%.  Kerry is a complete moron totally unfit to be commander in chief.  Bush is God, you should always support your president in a time of war, maybe not fully but just a little.  kerry is a total flip-flopper who cant even decide what to wear in the morning.  kerry sucks ass.... bush kicks ass.  kerry is destined to destroy america.  morale is at an alltime low.  homosexual marriage will destory the nation.  liberals can just shouve it up Clintons ass you cant just come out and attack the president republicans are never mean to democrats is always the democrats flaming the republicans wow see what would happen if the Democrats or Liberals took over the gov't
they cant even debate without trying to put down the other party
its not about the oil
dont you think we would have taken the oil when we were in Iraq?
and what lies are you talking about???  and he is not taking oil, we know that for a fact.   You guys are a bunch a f*cking liberals, bush did nothing wrong. If f*cking gore would of won we might of been blown up casue all you dumb liberals dont like war. Kerry sucks the big one.


lol, that was fun, towards the end it was all copy and paste. oh, and special thanks to 67th raptorbull and iwinulose for the great stuff in 1 and 3, they had the best,

colonel31 - "oh - what else did he do?"

hmm, read up on liberal fundraising during the clinton years.  read up on how much time he logged in on air force one, read up on how he looted the white house and airforce one when he left, read up on how kindly he let a ton of criminals go back into society, (okay, every president does this, but clinton sure released a lot...)
oh and i found this - "Kerry a few years ago was republican "
hes the number one liberal in the senate.  boy are you screwed up.

nfs911 - SHUT UP.  you obviously know nothing about politics, and even me being halfway between 2 and 3 there, i only had to read 1 of your posts to hate you.  you are a complete idiotic moron who refuses to realize hes a stupid 12 year old spewing up everything hes been told by his mommy.  stop posting your idiotic propaganda.  you are hurting your cause by showing us you are a stupid moron, and that there are people who go beyond the idiotic far right.   one thing i agree with raptor on - its one thing to be a dumb republican (unlike him, i know there are idiotic liberals too), but completely another to be a dumb immature bashing republican who bases stuff on his own little fantasy world he lives in (i assume this is what raptor meant, he said base on facts) is completely another.  if you cant be reasonable and can only preach democrat hate, then leave, because no one wants to hear it.  and this is from someone who is partially on your own side.  so shut up.  your a stupid 12 year old who still plays with pokemon and needs to get off his mother's tit.  oh no! i insulted you!  how horrible.  maybe your mommy should give you a kiss to make you feel better.  get out of your diapers and into the real world.  everyone can tell you are a total ass.

^^^wow that was my first flaming post here....well not flaming really since it was true...
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« Reply #122 on: July 24, 2004, 02:41:00 AM »

I consider myself to be a bit of a marxist.

Sorry Dark Link I dont want you to take this personel but that last post was a load of rubbish.

For starters Iraq is in a shit state. It is worse than ehrn Saddam was in power. Baghdad doesnt even have constant water, electricity, or telephones. It had this before the war. You get your information from the news. Try look at Al Jazzera sometimes (for a different perspective), my information comes from people in Baghdad itself.
Iraqi people do not have freedom. Iraq has attracted extremists from all over the middle east and there groups are controlling the country. In Baghdad people are scared to go out at night for fear of being killed or the women raped. Even in the day people do not venture far. It was not like this before.
America doesnt care, they are happy to let all the extremists fight US soldiers in Iraq instead of them trying to get to America. If you say that is fair enough, that it a total disregard for the Iraqi people who arenot fanatical muslims. It also highlights most Americans belief that anybody who is not American is a 2nd class human and therefore there life is a lot less important.

You say your soldiers got courtmarshalled, but it has been proven very high ranking officers knew what was going on and turned a blnd eye. Soldiers only got courtmarshalled when the public found out.

Saddam had NO links to terrorist groups. This has been stated by both our intelligence agencies so why do poeple still claim he does?
You also cant make assumptions based on your logic!

I dont think anybody quite realises the power America wields within the UN. Your the only country that doesnt even bother to pay your annual subscription. The US owes millions and millions.

I hate this Humanitarian argument. What about what is happening in Zimbabwe? Or in Iran, Saudi Arabia or the Congo? All these places have worse Humanitarian records than Iraq. It makes you ask what is so special about this country?
For starters it was easier for Bush to create reasons to go to war. They had WMD's we both, along with many other european countries sold them to Iraq,  so we definetly know they had them. They also had copious amounts of oil to be exploited.
Lastly the American people still remembering the first Gulf war knew of Saddam it would have been easier to sell this war to the public than say a war in Zimbabwe against Mugabea who you probably havnt heard of.

I dont mean this as a flame towards you and your 3 types of people were quite funny. You actually did quite a good argument for a liberal. You have to admit though the lefties tend to use more fact. Im not saying all you republicans dont, obviously you do, but there are a couple of the more regular posters who argue based on emotion and facts they got from www.bushisthegreatest.com these people tend to spoil for the rest of you.
There are lefties who do the same, Ive done it at some point, although i try not to.


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« Reply #123 on: July 25, 2004, 11:55:00 PM »

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« Reply #124 on: July 26, 2004, 12:35:00 AM »

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« Reply #125 on: July 26, 2004, 02:48:00 AM »

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i still, however, say that the circumstantial evidence would say he did, but circumstantial evidence is not hard proof. but with the intel we had before 9/11, however flawed, anyone would have acted as we did if they thought it was accurate

The intelligence was a joke, you need to not belive all what you see on the news.

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are you proposing we spread our troops even further out? are you suggesting bush makes another war? im sure that would go over well with everyone!! tongue.gif

I wasnt saying that. My point was you can not argue the war is just on humaniterium grounds because there are countries in much more dire situations, such as Zimbabwe.

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i still dont think we can have any hard evidence

We do have hard evidence. I have already posted in another older thread the proof.
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« Reply #126 on: July 28, 2004, 01:16:00 PM »

Al Jazeera is not anti american, theyre a news organization. That's like saying CNN is anti - iraq because they show our troops fighting over there. Have you watched the interviews with their editors, actually a recent one on the daily show was excellent.
anyway dark link you should check yoruself

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« Reply #128 on: August 13, 2004, 07:36:00 PM »

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but i will say this mick

those documents dont mean shit when the rest of the world didnt support our decisions

are republicans that hypocritical?

one minute there going against the UN, and doing what every other nation doesnt want them to do

the next minute there using documents and legislations the UN agreed on to sheild themselves

fucking retards
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« Reply #129 on: August 15, 2004, 10:45:00 PM »

I hate Bush but I'm kinda worried about Kerry tho... I'm worried because of his religion, his position over the mid-east are almost the same as Bush.

I'm canadian so I can't really change anything, I only wished Al Gore wouldve been the one leading the Democratic party.
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« Reply #130 on: August 15, 2004, 10:59:00 PM »

Bush is the lesser of the two evils IMO...

Don't fall into the trap, Democrats are full of crap.
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« Reply #131 on: August 16, 2004, 11:04:00 PM »

QUOTE (Colonel32 @ Jul 5 2004, 11:06 PM)

It's well printed he changed his mind.

Kerry changed his mind on parts of the Patriotic Act and the War in Iraq... so did I, so did most Americans and the world as we learned more.  

Read the two official websites and decide who you think has a clearer vision for the country.  

The worst thing you can do is not vote !!

Edit: hercules.. if you don't think the president did his job. Fire Him. Its what happens in the real world.

blah blah he's not even in office, do you realize? bush has made many mistakes and being in office is where it counts.
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« Reply #132 on: September 02, 2004, 04:37:00 PM »

QUOTE (Hercules Q Einstein @ Jul 6 2004, 12:58 AM)
I hate all this arguing over wether he is a good president or not. The fact is he failed completly at the presidents 1st job; uniting america, thats a fact. The country has never been more split since the civil war, and its only getting worse. I want him out of office for the pure fact of re-uniting the US.

Unfortantly as much as i hate bush, atleast he has a stance on something wich is more than i can say for Kerry. I guess i wont vote this year.

(Yes i know it was stupid to say i hate arguing then start a topic that will start more arguments)

Thats a VERY outlandish statement...
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Bush Failed
That should be failied in your opinion right? Because who decides whether he failed or not? In my opinon he succeded... But in what? Proving that he understands there are some neccesery evils in the world and this was one of them..

Kind Regards

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« Reply #133 on: September 02, 2004, 05:08:00 PM »

QUOTE (Dark_Link2135 @ Sep 3 2004, 12:48 AM)
hehe, im in agreement with you chillin dude, besides the fact that uniting America is NOT the presidents job, much less his number 1 job, i dont think it was Bush that is going out and forcing people to believe two different things.

its more the liberals.  they are the ones trying to separate Iraq from the war on terror, they are the ones screaming that that bush is doing everything wrong and only they have the answer, they are the ones who want to legalize murder (abortion) they are the ones that want to legalize gay marriage, both those last 2 are NOT favorable in the majority view

the democrats have the three most unpopular views:

1.  Higher Taxes
2.  Pro-Abortion
3.  Pro-Gay-Marriage

while they may be popular among some people, they are NOT among the majority.

.... but yet you praise bush for doing unpopular things.

you're "3 most unpopular views" could be changed around according to what you believe

the republicans have the 3 most unpopular views.
1.)  They don't like programs that help people and want us to further our debt at a faster rate.
2.)  They are anti-choice
3.)  They don't belive in equal rights

see, you can change anything around when looking at it from another point of view.  You can't just say what you think and say it as fact

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« Reply #134 on: September 02, 2004, 05:25:00 PM »

not if you don't believe a few cells that don't think, can't live on their own for more than a minute or so, and is a parasite living inside your body isn't a "person"

If you eat meat, are you not anti-life?

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