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Prodak

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« Reply #60 on: July 06, 2004, 11:30:00 AM »

Mozart.mp3 please dont say stupid things like that.

God exists, Jesus exists, and Jesus is the Son of God.
He died because thats why he came for. To save people from sin, to restore the relationship with the Father, or GOD.

Yo know nothing about sacrifice, the real love is giving yourself, including your life for the ones you love. Thats love and Jesuschrist loved the whole world. People from the past, from the present and from the future, He loved all of us.



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« Reply #61 on: July 06, 2004, 11:46:00 AM »

I really just want to know one thing. Why would a Jew (allegedly 700 BC), in exile (which even if it isn't 700 BC, the Jews were a despised nation basically since their exile), why would he write of a Messiah in this way (and if you will read Isaiah 40-65, it is very clear he is speaking of the Messiah. Why would a despised and rejected nation want a Messiah like this? What is the point of this?

Isaiah 53
1 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by men,
a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering.
Like one from whom men hide their faces
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he took up our infirmities
and carried our sorrows,
yet we considered him stricken by God,
smitten by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to his own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before her shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression [1] and judgment he was taken away.
And who can speak of his descendants?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was stricken. [2]
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes [3] his life a guilt offering,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
11 After the suffering of his soul,
he will see the light of life [4] and be satisfied [5] ;
by his knowledge [6] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, [7]
and he will divide the spoils with the strong, [8]
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.


Why, unless of course they were looking for THE MESSIAH, not just the messiah of Israel, but the Messiah of the world. This is where Jews fail today, they think that the Messiah is their Messiah, and then the worlds, but really, he is the Messiah of us all.

Did god not say to Abraham, "You will be the father of many nations?"

What nations could he be speaking of besides Israel if he is not speaking of the world?

Really, I don't think you have any true arguement against Christianity unless you have read and studied the vast majority of the Bible yourself. If you haven't you don't know the context of it, and you don't understand it. So please, if you really want to know for yourself if its right or wrong, please read it for yourself and quit listening to what people who are straight out biased against it have to say.

A great example is Sir William Ramsey who lived in the 19th century. He was a famous archaelogist intent on using the Book of Acts as a guidebook to excavating and to proving that it was false. He returned home 20 years later, a Christian, and in reference to the author of Acts (Luke), he had this to say, "he was a historian of the highest rank".

A man intent to disprove the Bible by what it actually said (instead of what others said), ended up finding out that the evidence for it actually backed it up to a T and he ended up becoming a Christian himself.

Stop just saying things and actually read the Bible. You will then know if its got truth behind it or not.......................

In reference to someone else's question, why haven't I tried out other religions? Why should I? After me being an agnostic and not really knowing of a certain God existing or not, and after doing some hardcore studying and seeing how much Christianity was validated by history and archaelogy and after seeing these amazing prophecies and on top of that after seeing actual events in my life that were straight up near impossible, why would I try and other religion? Can you show me something more real than that? No, you can't, and until you've humbled yourself before the creator of the universe (whoever he is), you'll never know for yourself.

I'd rather spend a few weeks of my life trying to honestly and actually determine if it was true than to spend an eternity in somewhere I don't want to be just because I was lazy or I thought I knew everything......
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« Reply #62 on: July 06, 2004, 11:51:00 AM »

I think Mozart.mp3 was just trying to get as many posts as possible since he's also a new member.
Notice how he didn't make any statements of his own?  All he did was create confusion by trying to understand what smart people know and he doesn't.  Not just cuz we're christian but cuz he's not.  Just look at what he said about my "feed the bears" comment.
And if he is athiest like he led us to beleive, ...well it's better that we don't try to argue with him,  most of them don't want to be held accountable for the sins.  He only wants to flame us..if he does want to ask some serious questions and he is searching he is welcome back.  However, it looks like someone banned him, he has "0 posts" under his  username.
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« Reply #63 on: July 06, 2004, 12:00:00 PM »

QUOTE (jesusphreak)
Why, unless of course they were looking for THE MESSIAH, not just the messiah of Israel, but the Messiah of the world. This is where Jews fail today, they think that the Messiah is their Messiah, and then the worlds, but really, he is the Messiah of us all.

Be careful how you word that.  Saying all modern Jews have failed is very dangerous.  There is a group called Messaic Jews who accept Jesus as the Messiah prephecied about.  It is a growing beleif among modern Jewish people. I met one once.
One thing I have never understood is how they achieve pennace for the sins.  The old testament instructs them to perform animal sacrifices!  Yet we do not see that today... why?
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« Reply #64 on: July 06, 2004, 12:00:00 PM »

Lol where do you guys come across with any of this? You are all so close minded you can't even think of any other possibly than that of which you were brought up on. What "Feed the Bears" comment did you make? If you want to actually think on your own for a change tell me and I'll be here to post further into this arguement. I am not banned, it just always shows 0 posts under my name for some reason.
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« Reply #65 on: July 06, 2004, 12:03:00 PM »

Your minds are shut so far I'm suprised how you can even squeeze a thought into your head at all.
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« Reply #66 on: July 06, 2004, 12:06:00 PM »

huh.gif  Flaming again?

Think on my own, you say?  How could I do that, thoughts don't exist, after all!

talk to ya later, im going out, maybe you could siimmer down till then?  thank you looking forward to it!  wink.gif
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Mozart.mp3

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« Reply #67 on: July 06, 2004, 12:09:00 PM »

Who said thought's don't exist at all? Way to twist my words around when I actually said thoughts are contradictary to the possiblity of "Free-Will" which with no free will there would be no reason for religion.

Why don't you stop taking everything as an insult for one second and start thinking.
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« Reply #68 on: July 06, 2004, 12:12:00 PM »

Think man, think.....
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« Reply #69 on: July 06, 2004, 12:23:00 PM »

Zechariah 11:12-13

12 I told them, "If you think it best, give me my pay; but if not, keep it." So they paid me thirty pieces of silver.
13 And the LORD said to me, "Throw it to the potter"-the handsome price at which they priced me! So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the LORD to the potter.

Hmmm.....

Wait a second. Do the gospels not tell us that Judas was paid 30 pieces of silver for the death of Christ?????

Even if you don't believe this, why in the heck is again the Jewish God (immutable, eternal, outside of time and space), speaking of himself as being priced????

Especially for 30 pieces of silver: the same price of Jesus Christ!!!

Remember, Zechariah is a part of the Old Testament, necessarily dated at the very least to 200 years before Christ's time, but in tradition said to be 400 years.

200 years, 400 years, what does it matter? Is it still not amazing for a prophecy like this to happen a year before the thing happens????

How were these Jews in exile so wise about the future????
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« Reply #70 on: July 06, 2004, 12:27:00 PM »

You ARE close-minded and just look at the signs. You are bashing everyone else's religion and YOU can't think for one second that maybe it is YOU that's wrong. I'm not bashing anyone else's religion at all. I never said I was atheist, I said I am giving you another way to think about things.
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« Reply #71 on: July 06, 2004, 12:29:00 PM »

Again, I ask, who is being closed-minded?????

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Mozart.mp3

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« Reply #72 on: July 06, 2004, 12:30:00 PM »

Yet again I say, who is the one bashing other's religions?
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« Reply #73 on: July 06, 2004, 12:34:00 PM »

Mozart, my last 5-10 posts haven't been bashing other people's religions, they've been attempting to show you why Christianity is true.....

Yet you won't take the time to look at and read what I've said.

You'd rather stick your tongue out and say na-na-na-na-boo-boo......

I'm asking you to honestly consider what I've said instead of immediately taking offense to it............
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« Reply #74 on: July 06, 2004, 12:35:00 PM »

I like how you try to prove other religions wrong by using quotes from YOUR OWN BIBLE.
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