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| Again I have not read where skate states he believes he is always right and to the more extreme, that he is in fact, the Creator. But skate if you read this and you are God...I would really....really....really like those lesbians. And if I can push it, a new video camera....and some whips, I like it kinky. |
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| What evidence do you have to prove that homosexuality is indeed a choice? |
What evidence do you have to prove that homosexuality is not a choice?
end of story. it really comes down to you either believe it one way or the other.
and you seem to be totally discrediting any valid point i make. i personally do not believe evolution is true, but a lot of people do, so i figured that was a good way to reason with it.
another thing it really comes down to...and i really hate to say this because i know all of you will definitely bash me for this, but it also comes down to whether you believe in the Bible. Now, thats not my only reason i think it is a choice, but it is a major one. you really cant prove that homosexuality is a choice wihtout knowing that everyone here believes the Bible is correct. you could use reason, and other articles beside the Bible, but it is extremely hard to do so. the only thing i can say, and this is a horribly weak piece of logic, is that no part of the Bible has ever been proven to be wrong, while many parts have been proven to be correct. like i said, very weak.
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| And can you see our problem with speaking our opinions to you with that last sentence stated by you in the quote? You'd kill yourself before you would turn gay is a pretty bad reflection on your opinion on homosexuality and very extreme. |
id say it is a pretty good reflection on my opinions on gays.
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| Is it more moral to be straight? If so, why? The only difference between a homosexual couple and a straight one is that the straight one can have a child through birth. The homosexual couple can aquire a child through legal terms in some states and raise a child good or bad in reflection of their own parenting skills just like any straight couple would. Now if you believe that the child is going to have problems growing up with two fathers or two mothers, then you would be correct depending on where the couple lives because some areas are more open than others and accept it as a social norm. That is the problem we are trying to fix (opinion). If we make it a social norm to be homosexual and homosexual and have children, then there wouldn't be a problem here at all. Now if you believe that would pose a problem please tell me how (I'm not being sarcastic). But before you state anything on marriage in Denmark and Europe then let me state I read something on the same topic in Newsweek (Some issue in May or June I believe). But they indicated that homosexual marriages rarely affected the decline. Couples living together but unmarried were interviewed and they did not mind the gay marriages at all, it was DEVORCE that was unsettling to the straight couples. Devorce is so costly and such a hassle that more and more people are disliking the idea of marriage and therfore not getting married. The study showed that gay marriages were HELPING the marriage statistics rather than hurting them. Seeing this, I know your stance on gay marriage. But don't you think devorce is more of a threat to marriage than gay marriage? One destroys it, the other promotes it. And why has marriage become more about between 'a man and a women' rather than love? Do you think love is more importance to a marriage or it being just between a man and a women? |
look, to start off, morality really comes down to opinions. this country was founded on certain morals, and i believe we should keep to them. Thomas Jefferson remarked (im pretty sure it was him) that the Constitution of the United States of America would only work for a country who believed in God as their leader. back in those days, crime was less, morality was higher (by their standards of morality, obviously, because, yes, as you say, peoples view of morality does change), and now, crime has increased, morality decreased. what we have had to do is almost totally rework the constitution in an attempt to keep it as valid for us. that doesnt really fit together (last sentence) but i couldnt think of better wording for it. but does that make something moral? because people no longer view something as immoral, should that make it moral? suppose people start thinking murder is moral? if you dont like someone, should you kill them, and that be moral? okay, yes, thats off-topic now, but you did go into a lot of discussion on morality in that paragraph.
Also, their is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that a child is raised just as well by homosexual parents as heterosexual parents. There is, however, plenty of documentation that one father and one mother is the best way for a child to grow up. Search for them. If you want me to post some links here, just tell me and I'll be glad to. And it is not just because of social norms. That is definitely part of it, but not all of it. the first link i posted was to prove marriage was on the decline, which gcskate indicated he doubted. the second, was to give a side of the issue saying homosexuality was part of the cause. there is really no way to see what is the actual cause, because there are very good points on both sides of the arguement, but obviously im going to believe homosexuality is the cause, just as you are obviously going to believe it is not.
there are a lot of assumptions in your post, but i wont mention them since i do the same thing a lot of the time without realizing it
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| Do you believe you are less difficult to reason with considering you would kill yourself before you would turn gay? |
why does this make it hard to reason with me? i really cannot see the correlation here. yes, i can be difficult to reason with. but so can you. so can gcskate, but he wont admit this. -
im not even going to reply to him, now all he is doing is repeating the same thing over, with a bit of new flaming mixed in. ive pretty much said all i want to, but if he comes up with something new, ill reply.
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| Though he has insulted you, most were in response to you calling homosexual activity 'gross'. Now that is your opinion but do you believe that is the most mature way to express it? And I apologize if I didn't read this correctly, but I fail to understand the part stating that skate made no mention of gays being gross and then questioning that he thinks they are thus he is too childish. How would he think it was 'gross' considering he's arguement against it being 'gross' from before. And aside from that you then indicate that he may in fact enjoy it since he stated he did not find it 'gross'. Again I'm sorry if I misread anything, just clear it up for me if I have please. |
if you can find a better word for me then gross, please tell me. disgusting perhaps? or maybe "vile" thats a word that is used a lot less. no matter how i would have phrased it, skate would have thought it "childish"
what happened:
skate said that i was childish because i called homosexuality "gross" he seemed to think he was much more mature then me, and therefore not childish. so logic would follow that he does not think homosexuality is "gross"
i was getting irritated by then so i flamed him. its nothing less then most of you have done. what i meant was, since he didn't find it gross, maybe he found it "interesting" since what else would he think about it if it was not gross? and i believe a lot of people on here in support of homosexuality find homosexuality "gross" and yet gcskate does not think they are "childish" as he puts it. perhaps because they think like he does. this is what i meant when he thinks he is right, and anyone who thinks differently then he does is childish. throughout many of his posts he implied this, and this is what i meant. i really cant point out where he came right out and said this, but if you read through a lot of his posts on this thread you can see this.
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| An infant is a born child. A fetus is much different. |
they both are living beings. i personally believe life begins at conception.
and even if you dont believe this, do you know when life enters a fetus, and when it would stop being a lifeless hunk of flesh? why take the chance?
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| I actually do believe this for some of the Christians. I've met some who since they spent their lives devoted to thier faith and have been taught of heaven and hell, they want the none believers to go to hell proving them that their religion is right. The hypothetical girl that got raped because she walked too late at night you had less pity for correct? The same could be said for people ignoring religious text. If you have been told what was going to happen isn't it part of your fault? So some christians would see it as part of the nonebelievers fault and as they see it as part of their fault, their punishment was acceptable. |
i really cant understand what you are trying to say here, its a little unclear, i apologize. the part i didnt get was "you have been told what was going to happen, isnt it part of your fault" what is the thing that is going to happen? i certaintly dont want to see anyone go to hell. i wouldnt even want to see gcskate go to hell, and he certaintly is not my favorite person. so no, i would not like to see anyone go to hell. but please rephrase this so that i might be able to respond to it.
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| It's not all the way bashing at times, it's failure to see the other sides stance on the subject. We all are guilty of that link even you. |
yes, and i have admitted this. gcskate, however, indicated that he saw the other side, and i was blind to it. i can see the other side, and understand why they think the way they do. but i do not think any less of them because they think this way. i do not think they are idiots or morons.
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| I'm sorry but I haven't read any part that reflects skate of having a large ego. Him not saying that he's said stupid things does not qualify anyone for aroggance. I also haven't read anywhere that skate thinks anyone is stupid for not sharing his opinions. If he is, however, a genie I wish for some lesbian action in my bedroom. Which hopefully you don't own any lesbian porn or even accept porn of that nature link because you would find that hypercritical correct? |
he never came right out and said this. he implied it, and when i mentioned it, he did not deny it. and you are correct, i aviod pornagraphy whenever possible. however, i do not find his picture "pornography" just disturbing. i really dont think anything besides pictures of naked people, and similar is pornography. but hey, those girls were hot
and i know i have indicated this, but i do not want gay people to go to hell, or for them all to die. just wanted to clear that matter up.
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As with my religious comparison, if you gave very little pity towards her for knowing this would have happened, there is a reason your pity for her went down. Now we don't know your reason, we can only ASSUME that you meant because she had knowledge on how to prevent this, she could have prevented it. Thus she had it coming. If this is not the reason please correct us, I don't like assuming things.
And you have been putting words in skates mouth just as he has with you in these posts. |
nowhere near as much as he has. i can see where i inferred something he did not mean, but half the things he has said i have said, i cant see where he even got them.
i have less pity for her, because she didn't take much precaution. there is no way of knowing it would happen, but any sane woman should avoid places like that at night. just to clear that matter up
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| Again I have not read where skate states he believes he is always right and to the more extreme, that he is in fact, the Creator. But skate if you read this and you are God...I would really....really....really like those lesbians. And if I can push it, a new video camera....and some whips, I like it kinky. |
again, he implied it. whether or not he meant this, i did mention it to him and he did not deny it.
