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The unProfessional

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« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2004, 03:43:00 PM »

Your whole post is an ad hominum fallacy.  You're only attacking your opponent rather than providing a real argument.

I can't stand it when people say an entire political party is incapable of having a straight, logical opinion.  There are two types of people who say that...


The ultra-left

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The ultra-right


Both are useless.
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« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2004, 03:45:00 PM »

As far as I'm concerned, there's far too much elephant and donkey shit lying around.  They both take massive dumps.
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« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2004, 05:49:00 PM »

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« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2004, 06:27:00 PM »

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and i love how you provide a liberal editorial site as "proof" to back up what you say.  really helps out your credibility (rolls eyes)

"Rape cannot be used as an EXCUSE? If a woman is forcibly impregnated, why should she be continually forced through pregnancy and then into life as a single parent with a child she very likely cannot financially (or mentally) support?"

as was said before, this is a place to post your opinions, NOT attack people....but anywho, thats what i said.  now some of the times its not the womans fault, but sometimes you have to ask what the woman was doing in a dark alley at 12:00am.  okay, thats a little extreme, but you get the jist.  and besides, i believe life begins at conception.  and before you say anything on that, id like to see you prove otherwise, WITHOUT FLAMING.  and i also cant prove it does.  thats just what i believe.  there is no possible way to prove either belief.  you people seem to think that flaming is a great way to back up an arguement...

"A war may have been necessary, but not THIS war. This war was not formed with humanitarian goals in mind, and it shows."

hmmm, can you prove this?  didn't think so.
and anywho, you repeated exactly what i said, minus the first sentence.
and to correct my original post - there is no way to prove that he did or didn't have womd.  so all you liberals stop claiming that 100% he did NOT have them, and all you conservatives stop claiming 100% he DID have them.  there is no proof beyond circumstantial evidence that he did or didn't have them.  and most of the circumstantial evidence points towards him having them, but they are easily worked around to mean something else.  im inclined to belive that  if he did have nukes (ones recently produced, not leftovers) then we would have found more than we have.

"It's easy to believe this, and yes, affirmative action is essentially discriminatory. However, the idea was formed in response to public racism (yes, it does exist). For society to advance in tolerance it will have to be faded out."

you would be stupid to belive that public racism doesn't exist.  but it is still discriminatory against whites, and since congress is not supposed to make any law discriminating against race, this is unconstitutional.

"Such a program would truly change life in many ways for many people. Rural families often rely on labor from their children. Many people believe being an only child has a psychological effect, whether or not thats true I can't say. Halting immigration would have to occur as well, and population will in all likeliness still increase."

i can really see both sides of this issue.  this is not something i really believe in strongly either way.

"You pay for your email.. through your ISP (or advertising, if you use a web service like hotmail)."

you pay $10-$15 a month for bandwidth, all your email accounts, and web space?  i think not.  spam is paying for some of this, although not all of it.  sorry, i realize now i made it seem like i thought spam payed for all the email, but they dont.  just some of it.

"It's an interesting idea, but unfortunately theres just too much room for abuse (on all sides). If a prisoner refuses to work, what then? If a prisoner continues to harm other inmates, what should happen to him? If he kills a prison guard?"

yeah...thats a situation i didn't think of.  i suppose we should keep the death penalty in reserve as a last resort.  when they refuse to work, or kill/injure in prison, then you kill them.  though i suppose lack of work/killing/injuring would drop if security wasnt so lax, and prisons wernt so comfortable.

"Jail isn't just punishment, it's also rehabilitation."

yes, playstation 2's, television, and internet access (all free) really help you to rehabilitate.

"You've offered no support, and shown your religious bias. That paragraph is easily discarded."

so is any other paragraph saying otherwise.  its all opinion, and religous/political biasness.

"It's our environment too..."

like i said, its an opinion.  what i really hate is the radicals.  who want to save some stupid owl and let people go homeless.

"You appreciate a willingness to break international law and betray international authority, but praise zero tolerance for those who break national law? (see below)"

i really have a hard time seeing the UN as any kind of authority figure.

"Democracy works? When a president is elected without majority consent, democracy fails.
What leads you to believe the US is the most successful nation ever? We aren't the biggest, our economy isn't leading the world, our social programs are lacking. Is this a horrible country? Of course not. However, you also have to recognize that some of our "success" comes at the expense of others."

proof please?  all you say is its horrible, its bad, but no proof.  not even examples.

ill post links for why gay marriage is bad tomorrow....storming really bad here, dont want to fry my modem like i did b4...
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« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2004, 07:38:00 PM »

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and i love how you provide a liberal editorial site as "proof" to back up what you say.  really helps out your credibility (rolls eyes)

dark in another thread after colonel called him on doing the same thing...
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id like to see you find an article that is NOT an editorial. any political artical is going to be a biased editorial slant on the issue.


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i have seen very few liberals on this forum alone that have been able to provide tangible facts, unless you call flaming and attacking tangible facts, to back up their arguements.


you go on and on about people flaming you, when they are often not... are you just really so insecure as to think everytime someone questions your beliefs that it is a personal attack? all you do is go on about how liberals put forth no proof and only flame, yet all you do is put forth no proof and complain about flaming (which is often imaginary)...

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but anywho, thats what i said. now some of the times its not the womans fault, but sometimes you have to ask what the woman was doing in a dark alley at 12:00am. okay, thats a little extreme, but you get the jist.


there is no excuse for rape, it is a violation of another person... it doesnt matter what the girl was wearing or doing, it is still wrong and it would be extremely unjust on the victim to make her carry the child of her attacker...

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yes, playstation 2's, television, and internet access (all free) really help you to rehabilitate.


while i agree that the line should be drawn more clearly, a lot of these can be used in the rehabilitation process... the internet can be used to educate and inform the convict of the outside world... as can the televsion... the ps2 has no real value but having prisons being complete labor camps with nothing to better the individual would be a waste of time... sure youd get free labor, but in the end youd have the same individual on the street...

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who want to save some stupid owl and let people go homeless.


so people come before land and animals always? is your view a complete man vs nature?

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ill post links for why gay marriage is bad tomorrow


yet again, anything youd post would be an editorial chock full of bias and religious rhetoric... so therefore, according to yourself (at least some of the time), not proof of anything...  wink.gif
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« Reply #35 on: July 22, 2004, 02:23:00 AM »

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now some of the times its not the womans fault, but sometimes you have to ask what the woman was doing in a dark alley at 12:00am

Your language shows your true feelings on this subject. You say only "some of the time" its not the womans fault. This incuates that in the majority of rapes it is the womans fault. When you question what she was doing in a dark alley at midnight are you honestly saying that on occasion women go out to be raped? Is it meant to be fun to them?

How would you like it if you had been to one of your friends house having a few beers and watching a vid or something. Then on the way home a big bloke pulls a knife on you and drags you down an alleyway. He throws you on the floor beats you around a bit then tears your clothes off. Think about what would be going through your mind! After he is finished buggering you up your ass he leaves you laying there, a bloody mess.

Im sorry for being graphic but im trying to show rape is NEVER enjoyable.
My girlfriend has told me she would rather die than be raped.
And your saying well what was she doing walking down the street?
You might as well say she was acting like a slapper and deserved it!

Then imagine if a woman got pregnant through rape and was forced to have the baby. A lot of women would commit suicide rather than go through with it.
Imagine if she is single and has to bring up the baby by herself. Every day she is going to be reminded of the one day she wants to forget.
Imagine if she is married or has a partner, when the baby comes do you think her husband/partner could love that child? All the hate they feel towards the rapist would be foccused towards the baby.


Rapists deserve life, in this country they have to keep them in seperate sections in prison because every other prisoner wants to kill them.

How would you feel if your mum got raped? She probably deserved it for walking down a road late at night (your logic).
By your logic when it is dark women should stay indoors because if anything happens to them its there fault. That sounds like the Taliban.

What happened to land of the free?
Does that not count for women when it goes dark?
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« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2004, 12:00:00 PM »

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i think YOU are the one insecure in your beliefs that you cant have anyone saying otherwise. why else would you come to a thread to challenge my beliefs

i have no problem with people questioning my beliefs, but i will argue with said person afterwards... in a thread designed to have people state their opinions, people are going to argue about their stances...

as for the flaming, you come out and the first thing you say is about how noone answers with fact, they just flame... you state this before anyone has even commented on your post as a sort of precaution and i find that unnec... just because they argue, that is not flaming... its all in how its handled...

the "childish and ignorant" comment i feel was just... one of your points against gay marraige was that its "gross"... pretty damn childish if you ask me... another was that straight people wont want to get married because its not special anymore... pretty damn ignorant if you as me... i didnt have time to properly respond because i had to go to work but a slew of others came and did so for me...

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if you would actually read the thread, you would see i wasnt talking about colonel32

my point was that he called you on using editorials as "proof"... i doubt his reply was to the 'gay penguin' article...  rolleyes.gif im assuming he meant this, your proof as to how straight people are being discriminated against in the gay marraige issue...

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and its not unjust to kill the kid? no, not at all! kill the suckers, let em die!

well this is where people stances on abortion come into it... a lot of people would say that it is alright to have an abortion in that instance as well as several others... you yourself said abortion is ok if the mother is in danger of losing her life... well its more figurative and flowery but would she not be "losing her life" being forced to deal with her attack every day?

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yes. people come before land and animals. end of story. duh. which do you think is more important? i think ill keep some owl alive, and screw the people who are dying on the street that need homes. they dont matter.

i think nature is quite important and your example is a bit farfetched... when did anyone ever throw people out of their homes for another species... more often than not its stopping further development, which i find is generally a good thing... there needs to be a slowdown in population growth and who the fuck needs another stripmall?

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find something on gay marriage that is NOT an "editorial chock full of bias and religious rhetoric"

you wont be able to find anything on gay marraige because the bible thumpers will just be stating that its against gods way and the like...  there is not one good reason why gay couples shouldnt be allowed to get married... and most people have no problems with civil unions, so why the term marraige? its arbitrary...

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so what you are saying is "kill the kid"

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no...i did not say that.

these were put here to show that you dont like people putting words into your mouth, yet you do the same back to them...

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"How would you feel if your mum got raped? She probably deserved it for walking down a road late at night (your logic)."

if she was stupid enough to put herself in a situation like i described, id disown her. but she isnt stupid. and where did you get the idea that i thought the woman deserved it? once again, you are assuming far too much. they dont deserve it, but there is a problem with them when they are in a dark ally at midnight. no, they dont deserve it, but i feel very little pity for them all the same.

this is both laughable and sad... if you question what a woman is doing in an alley before she got raped, that is akin to saying she shares the blame, to whatever degree, with the attacker... hense "she deserved it"... now this may not be what you meant, but it is what you implied... as for disowning you mother because she was raped... thats just pathetic...  wink.gif

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where did you get the idea that i thought rape was enjoyable for the victim?

perhaps it was from you statement that it was sometimes "deserved"...

*side note: learn how to quote properly, makes the posts much easier to read...  smile.gif
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« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2004, 02:22:00 PM »

Ive said all i want to about the rape issue, other people can read our posts and make their mind up. We will end up arguing around in ciircles.
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« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2004, 11:23:00 PM »

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« Reply #39 on: July 24, 2004, 02:50:00 AM »

I cant belive your stance on rape, espically abortion because of it. HAte to do this agian and i really hope she never goes through this, but say your mum did get raped. She has a child and your little brother grows up to look just like his daddy. Are you saying you wouldnt feel in any way different towards him than you would it he had been born from your mum and dad?

You  dont have a clue what rape does to a woman!
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« Reply #40 on: July 24, 2004, 04:44:00 AM »

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hmmm...perhaps because what i said is truth? there have only been a few people who replied to my posts with honest opinion, facts, and backbone. i dont believe you were one of them.

you are trying to discredit people before they start their argument, which is very immature and quite transparant...  dry.gif

you quite often respond to someone by asking them to point out where you definately, 100% said something... in these situations, ie online forums, the person is left to infer what you meant through your statements if they are not 100% expressed... yet you use that "100% proof" as a way to "discredit" their argument... i would hope that you know what you are implying in your posts: i at least give you that much credit... if you do, and you continue these childish responses, than you are a sad individual... if you dont, why the fuck does anyone waste time talking to you, internet or otherwise?  uhh.gif

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ah, so you dont wouldnt be disgusted if some fag would be "buggering you up your ass?"  hmm, you wouldnt happen to be a little....crooked, shall we say?
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everyone raise thier hand if they think this is a mature way to respond to my argument... no one? well thats what id expect... im not gay, bi or whatever... but feel free to call me what you will, i dont mind... hmmm why did i call you childish again?  rolleyes.gif

I do not participate in homosexual acts, but I also do not discriinate against those that do… I have absolutely, 100% no problem with gay people… call me any name youd like, my beliefs wont change… J

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yes, thats because its happened already in denmark.  i do believe i mentioned this, or did you have your head shoved too far up your ass to read?
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so straight couples in denmark refuse to get married because gay people now have the right? link please? perhaps another editorial? yet again- rolleyes.gif

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ah yes, i seem to remember you saying something similar to this before.  and we all know that every time a mother looks at her kid she had from a rapist, the first thing that enters her mind is "i got raped"  because there is just sooooo many studies out there saying this... rolleyes.gif

and where are the studies saying that women forced to have and raise children concieved through rape are perfectly well adjusted, as well as their kids?  rolleyes.gif

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even figuratively, the way you mean, that would be a lot more important then killing an unborn baby.  oh yes, screw the kids, kill 'em all i say, can't have people feeling bad...

youre religious right? so whats your problem with this? the unborn child would go back to heaven and the murderous bastards would be sent to hell... judge not that ye be not judged...  rolleyes.gif

in specific instance i have abs no problem with abortion... in fact, the only instance where i do have a problem with it is when it is used anywhere near regularly as birth control...

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when they want to save some stupid animal when people would clearly benefit from ignoring it.  and where exactly did i mention this "stripmall?"

i never said you said anything about a stripmall, and that does not discredit anything i have said*(see above arguemnt)... and why exactly should people come before another species?

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look, im sorry to make you look stupid like this

i would love to see you make me look stupid... hasnt happened yet... but youre doing a great job with yourself... keep it up...  wink.gif

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women need to take preventative measures against the creeps who would rape her.

and whos to say they dont? women do not want to be raped... ever... although i do think people should be a little more careful in everyday life, rape is not something that blame can be shifted from... in a case of rape you cannot say "she had it coming"... this really shows you failing logic...  rolleyes.gif



i assume you are but a child and cannot see the errors in your thought process... your pride makes you blind to facts, rationale or whatever that should persuade a rational person... i feel sorry for you, i genuinely do...

i do eagerly await your response though... i enjoy the "logic" you use to make me "look stupid"... its quite entertainining... nothing quite like having a "battle of the wits" with a person such as yourself...  wink.gif

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« Reply #41 on: July 24, 2004, 06:04:00 AM »

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when they want to save some stupid animal when people would clearly benefit from ignoring it.

What's your stance on all multi billionairs? Wouldn't it be better if their money were spread around to the homeless people? But oh I see, you consider them to be animals, so I guess they don't fit.

When I read what people like you write I honestly sit for about five minutes and TRULY try to understand how this person can think so much different from me. Sometimes I understand, but dissagree. But in your case I just CAN'T make it out.

When people makes statements against homosexuals I honestly think it's another form of racism. It's not like black people can help they're black(and they shouldn't), and it's not like homosexuals can help being homosexuals(and they shouldn't either). People like you make their hard situation harder. Try to think how you'd feel if you were gay and someone calls you disgusting.

The most egoistic  people I meet are often christian(NOT all), and I can't see how they claim to be so moral when that's what they lack the most.

I CANNOT understand how people can be so cruel to one another.

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« Reply #42 on: July 25, 2004, 02:27:00 PM »

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im through arguing with you...

but i will leave with my first and only flame: you are a moron, perhaps the largest ive 'met' on these boards...  beerchug.gif
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« Reply #43 on: July 25, 2004, 02:52:00 PM »

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« Reply #44 on: July 26, 2004, 12:54:00 AM »

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homosexuality is a CHOICE. take it from an evolutionary standpoint: if evolution were true, that means you would have a natural selection to go along with it, evolution uses that as part of an explanation. and since there is no benefit to being gay (you cannot reproduce) then the gene carrying the gay tendency would have died out. LOL - and i cant imagine how id feel if i were gay, probably dead since i would kill myself before i turned gay.



What evidence do you have to prove that homosexuality is indeed a choice?  Have you asked any if they had a choice in the choosing of their sexual preference?  Did you have a choice in your sexual preference?  Let's not look at it from an evolutionary standpoint considering you believe humans are superior to animals.  Animals have sex primarily to reproduce, humans however, do not.  Do you honestly say to yourself when see a very attractive female, "Boy I sure would like to mate with her and raise a child"?  I sincerely hope not.  See we need to look at it at a social point of view because we truely are NOT having sex for just reproduction reasons.  Because of this homosexuality is fine in my opinion.  It is not hurting our population, it is doing just fine.  I'm going to say with no doubt in my mind the human race is not ending because some how we aren't producing enough children.  

And can you see our problem with speaking our opinions to you with that last sentence stated by you in the quote?  You'd kill yourself before you would turn gay is a pretty bad reflection on your opinion on homosexuality and very extreme.


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so now homosexuality is moral? is this really what people are beginning to think...sad.


Is it more moral to be straight?  If so, why?  The only difference between a homosexual couple and a straight one is that the straight one can have a child through birth.  The homosexual couple can aquire a child through legal terms in some states and raise a child good or bad in reflection of their own parenting skills just like any straight couple would.  Now if you believe that the child is going to have problems growing up with two fathers or two mothers, then you would be correct depending on where the couple lives because some areas are more open than others and accept it as a social norm.  That is the problem we are trying to fix (opinion).  If we make it a social norm to be homosexual and homosexual and have children, then there wouldn't be a problem here at all.  Now if you believe that would pose a problem please tell me how (I'm not being sarcastic).  But before you state anything on marriage in Denmark and Europe then let me state I read something on the same topic in Newsweek (Some issue in May or June I believe).  But they indicated that homosexual marriages rarely affected the decline.  Couples living together but unmarried were interviewed and they did not mind the gay marriages at all, it was DEVORCE that was unsettling to the straight couples.  Devorce is so costly and such a hassle that more and more people are disliking the idea of marriage and therfore not getting married.  The study showed that gay marriages were HELPING the marriage statistics rather than hurting them.  Seeing this, I know your stance on gay marriage.  But don't you think devorce is more of a threat to marriage than gay marriage? One destroys it, the other promotes it.  And why has marriage become more about between 'a man and a women' rather than love?  Do you think love is more importance to a marriage or it being just between a man and a women?

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now ill try to reason with gcskate....but it will be hard, like i said, he is hard to reason with...


Do you believe you are less difficult to reason with considering you would kill yourself before you would turn gay?

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so quick to assume arnt you?

well i for one raise my hand.

its very interesting the way you accuse me of being "childish" for calling you names, yet at almost every single post you have made, you call me either "childish" "ignorant" and "stupid"

i notice you made no mention of gays being gross.....does that mean you think they are? if so, you are quite "childish" according you your logic.

the reason i said that, was because you seemed to think you were just so much more mature than everyone else, and that gay sex was not gross. so i assumed, as the only other option...that you thought it was not gross, and you would not be disgusted if you had gay sex....and if you were not disgusted, what other feeling could you have for it but enjoyment?


Though he has insulted you, most were in response to you calling homosexual activity 'gross'.  Now that is your opinion but do you believe that is the most mature way to express it?  And I apologize if I didn't read this correctly, but I fail to understand the part stating that skate made no mention of gays being gross and then questioning that he thinks they are thus he is too childish.  How would he think it was 'gross' considering he's arguement against it being 'gross' from before.  And aside from that you then indicate that he may in fact enjoy it since he stated he did not find it 'gross'.  Again I'm sorry if I misread anything, just clear it up for me if I have please.  
Now you said that skate believed he was more mature 'than everyone else' which is not true.  At most he believes to be more mature than you from what he has stated so far in his responses.
Another question is that you assumed that as the only other option from him not finding gay sex 'gross' is that he would enjoy it.  How is that possible?  If you are straight and you would find it unpleasant or 'gross' he would not enjoy the act upon him just the same.  We are not discussing the feelings you get FROM gay sex, it's our feelings TOWARDS it.  And if we are discussing matters on only two options, it wouldn't be that he would find it enjoyable for two men to have sex, it would be he would find it to be 'not gross' or 'acceptance'.

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but of course, a womans comfort is far more important then an infants life.


An infant is a born child.  A fetus is much different.

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do you actually think Christians want people to be sent to hell?


I actually do believe this for some of the Christians.  I've met some who since they spent their lives devoted to thier faith and have been taught of heaven and hell, they want the none believers to go to hell proving them that their religion is right.  The hypothetical girl that got raped because she walked too late at night you had less pity for correct?  The same could be said for people ignoring religious text.  If you have been told what was going to happen isn't it part of your fault?  So some christians would see it as part of the nonebelievers fault and as they see it as part of their fault, their punishment was acceptable.

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well, thats your opinion, and as you have already said, you are not under any circumstances going to change your opnioin. and yet you bash bush because he will not change his. hmmm.....


It's not all the way bashing at times, it's failure to see the other sides stance on the subject.  We all are guilty of that link even you.

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wow...you really do have your head shoved up your ass, dont you?
warning, extra large ego onboard......

ive said stupid things yes, but you insist on making yourself look like a moron by claiming you havnt.....

so now, if someone doesn't agree with you, that makes them stupid? so you are the all knowing genie with all the answers. all the secrets of the world are open to you. you are always right. give me a break.


I'm sorry but I haven't read any part that reflects skate of having a large ego.  Him not saying that he's said stupid things does not qualify anyone for aroggance.  I also haven't read anywhere that skate thinks anyone is stupid for not sharing his opinions.  If he is, however, a genie I wish for some lesbian action in my bedroom.  Which hopefully you don't own any lesbian porn or even accept porn of that nature link because you would find that hypercritical correct?

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i said i would have very little pity for her, if she had done nothing to prevent it. end of story. you really love to put words in my mouth, dont you? no matter, its easily discredited.


As with my religious comparison, if you gave very little pity towards her for knowing this would have happened, there is a reason your pity for her went down.  Now we don't know your reason, we can only ASSUME that you meant because she had knowledge on how to prevent this, she could have prevented it.  Thus she had it coming.  If this is not the reason please correct us, I don't like assuming things.
And you have been putting words in skates mouth just as he has with you in these posts.

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you on the other hand, think you are god and can make no mistakes and are 100% right. easy to see from how you post.


Again I have not read where skate states he believes he is always right and to the more extreme, that he is in fact, the Creator.  But skate if you read this and you are God...I would really....really....really like those lesbians.  And if I can push it, a new video camera....and some whips, I like it kinky.
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