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bluedeath

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« on: July 02, 2004, 10:52:00 AM »

After reading a few of the articles on Bill Cosby's latest speech (some may say "Tirade") in Chicago I have gained a renewed respect for the man.  He has breeched an issue that has been mulling and simmering for too long.  Here is a quote from his speech where he blasted the black community for not taking advantage of all the opportunities that were gained through the civil rights movement.

"Let me tell you something, your dirty laundry gets out of school at 2:30 every day. It's cursing and calling each other 'nigger' as they're walking up and down the street. They think they hip -- can't read, can't write -- 50 percent of them," he said.

I think his remarks could be broadened to encompass every young man and woman in the United States regardless of race.

Read one of the articles here Bill Cosby
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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2004, 11:31:00 AM »

It is timely since this week marks the 40th anniversary of the civil rights act.
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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2004, 12:22:00 PM »

Bill Cosby has always had my respect.  He's quite funny, and his heart has always been in the right place.  He sends a powerful message to all americans, not just black americans, about family and work ethic.
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2004, 06:00:00 PM »

Oh, oh..you see, the kids, they listen to the rap music which
gives them the brain damage. With their hippin', and the
hoppin', and the bippin', and the boppin', so they don't know
what the jazz...is all about!
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Mr. Chips

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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2004, 03:29:00 PM »

Cosby says the darndest things



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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2004, 01:31:00 AM »

I'm British and have noticed a steady increase on 'bling' culture infecting the youth of this country, it's fucking poison. Kids think all they need in life is phat rims and props, ( I don't know what I'm talking about wink.gif ) gun crime is on the up and moral integrity has gone for a shit.

We are all going to hell.........in a pimped out Lexus riding 28's and listening to Scoopy Scoopy Dog Dog.
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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2004, 04:27:00 AM »

QUOTE (Banj @ Jul 5 2004, 06:31 AM)
I'm British and have noticed a steady increase on 'bling' culture infecting the youth of this country, it's fucking poison. Kids think all they need in life is phat rims and props, ( I don't know what I'm talking about wink.gif ) gun crime is on the up and moral integrity has gone for a shit.

We are all going to hell.........in a pimped out Lexus riding 28's and listening to Scoopy Scoopy Dog Dog.

That's a pretty lame attitude for a liberal, you should be embracing other cultures, no matter how ridiculous they are.  Next you'll be telling me arabs shouldn't be allowed to fire rifles into the air in a celebratory manner when helicopters are patrolling the area!
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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2004, 04:45:00 AM »

Why are you pigeon-holing me Nemt? I never said I was liberal. Could this be an assumption on your part? I think so.....  dry.gif
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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2004, 05:29:00 AM »

Dr Cosby has always been an incredibly honest and outspoken speaker.  His down to earth/root comedy back in the 70's, 80's.. and his open approach to parenting (plz.. read his books.. the guy is inspirational) have always been an influence on me.

This has no bearing whatsoever.. but for the record.. I'm white.. and have always had respect for the man.

He's taken alot of crap for his views on rappers.. and on the continuing trend of young black urban comedians taking t swearing and cussing to put themselves over.

I'll never forget the late 70's and early 80's watching his education and reading segments.. that were "forced" on us up here in Canada in school.  Some of my fondest memories actually.

Some will remember the FAT ALBERT stuff.. but even that had some decent messages for the kids.

I think Cosby lost his spot though.. when the COSBY SHOW was on the air.  The perfect DR and LAWYER family, with the almost perfect children just didn't reach black urban youth.

I felt that when that show was on the air.. Cosby entered a second phase in his life.. where he had become unknown and/or irrelevant to the urban youth.  His current show.. which is a BBC re-write and cleaned up for him.. pretty much falls into the same category.

alot of people.. especially black people are upset at what Cosby has been saying.. but alot of other black people.. have been walking around saying.. Who is Bill Cosby?

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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2004, 09:31:00 AM »

Time to abolish rap music!

but seriously, anything that isn't postive and only talks about guns, crime, pimping hoes (since when was that cool?  Pimps used to be the worst peices of human garbage, now they're "the shiznit").... doesn't all this just lead to more prejudice with black people?  I'm not black but I'm pretty sure black culture as a whole is NOT to blame.  It's those damn greedy Rap Stars who are targeting white market (most of rap /hip hop is bought by whites) and unfortunately little kids buy into it becuase it the the goal of young people to be older than they really are.  Thats why we're seeing this filth everywhere we go.
By the way, there is nothing wrong with big rims.  I do have a problem with TVs in cars and shag carpeting however  laugh.gif
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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2004, 09:36:00 AM »

I hate rap music. I'm still getting shag carpet and fuzzy dice for car regardless.  cool.gif
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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2004, 10:50:00 PM »

This a fine line to walk.  If one says that the "hip hop" culture infringes on a proper value system for youths, people jump down their throat, saying they aren't embracing cultures... worse yet, that they're racist.  But here's my take.  The role models that kids find in rappers are surely not the type that benefit any child in a positive matter.  I have nothing against rap music as a whole.  But, it's no hidden fact that rappers GENERALLY represent crime, poor social values, objectification of women, and so on.  

Plenty of us just say "Eh, it's just music, what's it matter."  Well, it matters alot to a 12 year-old in dire need of a father figure, since his dad is off banging his secretary and getting DUIs and his mom is porkin' the FedEx guy.

My step-cousin just graduated from her University where her son spent the first 3 years of his life.  Since she's a lousy mother, or finds it doesn't matter, her son spent many hours of the day watching MTV.  He didn't have many kids to play with, and she's irresponsible to begin with.  He's now three years old and has a terrible mouth.  He'll randomly blirt out "fuck off", "motherfucker", or other colorful phrases to one of the other young boys in the family.  Surely he didn't get this from MTV alone.  I'm sure he picked the best of it it up from her music.  

Is this simply culture?  Hell no.  It's a horrible exploitation of pop culture.  No parent (black or white) wants their kid hearing or speaking that crap, or having drastically skewed opinions of women and acceptable lifestyles.  

Rap is highly formulated (as pretty much all of pop culture is) and rappers follow the same trends as long as they sell.  Right now the same videos with some ugly fool surrounded by cars and skanks, rappin about how much they want his nuts and how he lives his life of gratuitous sex and money.  Fine and dandy as music.  But there are repercussions.

Kids find role models in rappers, sports stars (especially the thuggish ones), and the like.  I've seen some serious effects first hand, and it ain't pretty.

Bill Cosby is a fantastic role model.  Black males in general have had a hard time relating to educated balck role models.  I've never understood it.  I imagine it's because the constant barrage of Iversons, Nelly's, and Jay-Z's surely exceededs the exposure of the Bill Cosby's out there.  Black men are far less likely to go to college.  This isn't because of inherent disadvantages.  It's simply because the percentage of black men who are raised to understand the fulfilment one gains from college is extremely low.  The'll dub it as something "for white kids".  Black females, on the other hand, are embracing it much more effectively.  Voluntary segregation is also rampant... which is a major cause of this entire problem.
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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2004, 11:34:00 PM »

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This a fine line to walk.

Very true.  Either the music is destructive, or non-destructive.  It depends who is listening.
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If one says that the "hip hop" culture infringes on a proper value system for youths, people jump down their throat, saying they aren't embracing cultures... worse yet, that they're racist.

Hip Hop culture is a strange animal.  If one is speaking about the fundamentals of hip-hop, the 9 elements of hip hop....you will learn that it was nothing to do with the material lust in which we see today.  Hip hop artist KRS-One has always represented hip hop in it's original form, and is an influentuel person of the "Conscious Rap" movement.  He also puts on a hip hop appreciation week every year I beleive.  Temple of Hip-Hop
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Rap is highly formulated (as pretty much all of pop culture is) and rappers follow the same trends as long as they sell. Right now the same videos with some ugly fool surrounded by cars and skanks, rappin about how much they want his nuts and how he lives his life of gratuitous sex and money. Fine and dandy as music. But there are repercussions.

I agree, it has been that way for some time.  Just now we are starting to come away from it a bit, but the women shaking their booties 2 inches from the camera is an ongoing trend it seems.  This is troubling because there is already way too much sex on TV.  I mean I seriously feel ashamed watching that garbage when it is basically giving the porn industry free PR.
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« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2004, 11:42:00 PM »

Yeah.  Even the porn industry is OK, but it doesn't need to be on national TV at 3 pm when kids get home from school.
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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2004, 01:12:00 AM »

I must completly agree with what Mr. Cosby has to say in regards to the way hip hop has changed the way people live and act, and pretty much everything else he has to say.  The only problem I have with him is that he is a huge racist but I am still glad to have a man of his calibur living in the same state as me.
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