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Banj

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« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2004, 01:57:00 PM »
I thought Americas involvement in Vietnam was more to do with the 'Red Peril' than any sense of global conscience. They were trying to quash any communist uprising ANYWHERE due to paranoia and knee-jerk fear that successfull communist would undermine capitolism. That's why you get arseholes making statements like 'it's a fact that communism does work in practice', because that's what you are programmed to believe so that ideals aren't attainable. It's because of mindsets like that that communism isn't viable. All animals are equal etc, etc....
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« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2004, 02:21:00 PM »
QUOTE (Banj @ May 23 2004, 10:57 PM)
I thought Americas involvement in Vietnam was more to do with the 'Red Peril' than any sense of global conscience. They were trying to quash any communist uprising ANYWHERE due to paranoia and knee-jerk fear that successfull communist would undermine capitolism. That's why you get arseholes making statements like 'it's a fact that communism does work in practice', because that's what you are programmed to believe so that ideals aren't attainable. It's because of mindsets like that that communism isn't viable. All animals are equal etc, etc....

Wrong again. The United States invaded Vietnam for the sole purpose of helping France. It lied to its people and said it was to stop the Domino Effect (if one country falls to communism, they'll all fall like dominos). Yet, today, many members in office during the time claim they were wrong for entering Vietnam. They also express how the domino theory was wrong. I realize the following quote won't mean much since I do not remember who said it, so you probably won't believe me on it...but, here goes: "When a person is wrong, they are man enough to apologize and recognize they are wrong. What I don't understand is that when a government is wrong [as it was in Vietnam], why can't it do the same thing? I realize now that I was wrong. I was wrong about the war, and I was wrong about the Domino effect." - This quote belongs either to a senator at the time or to a cabinet member. I cannot remember which, nor the name of the person. But I distinctly remember the quote as I really liked it.

Many people are also using this Domino theory to make comparisons between Iraq and Vietnam. The Reverse Domino Theory. Furthermore, when a majority of the people in vietnam (see earlier in this thread for more information) would rather be communist and independent, why would America go in and force them to set up a democracy instead? Not only did they do that, they also cost the Vietnamese over 2.5 million lives.
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« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2004, 02:37:00 PM »
"Furthermore, when a majority of the people in vietnam (see earlier in this thread for more information) would rather be communist and independent, why would America go in and force them to set up a democracy instead? Not only did they do that, they also cost the Vietnamese over 2.5 million lives."

.....to stop the domino effect?
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« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2004, 02:38:00 PM »
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Have some popcorn, it'll make your head stop from hurting. You thought too much today.  pop.gif
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« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2004, 03:28:00 AM »
But the bill is not about a draft for wartime purposes.  It simply states that people should volunteer 2 years in the armed services upon becoming an adult.  A lot of different countries use this approach to fill positions withing their military.  

I do not agree with the bill.  I think that enough people volunteer on their own, but at the same time, I think it would do a lot of young people good.  Not everyone has the means to go to college right out of school, and this would give them a way to earn money for an education as well as give them some job skills depending on what they choose to do with the military.

I think this topic is brought up to make people more mad at the current administration.  Oh no, we are in a war and now everyone is going to be drafted.....It's not gonna happen.
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« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2004, 12:37:00 PM »
well once a few thousands troops die in the next couple of years, it very well could, as morale would go down so less people would join the army and theyd need a way to get more people (ie, draft)
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« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2004, 04:00:00 PM »
QUOTE (67thRaptorBull @ May 24 2004, 04:37 PM)
well once a few thousands troops die in the next couple of years, it very well could, as morale would go down so less people would join the army and theyd need a way to get more people (ie, draft)

Yep... and you'll be one of the 1st to go... and I'm sure you'll turn on your fellow soldiers, just like your turn on your fellow Americans every day here...   jester.gif
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« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2004, 04:58:00 PM »
actually, no because m going to college in 2 years (once im done with high school) and ill be taking to many courses if a fucked up draft did happen

why do you keep posting like your a child? o wait, you are, and i love how cool you are by taking what i said out of context and putting it in ur sig, your one ub0r cool h/-\x0r kid.........
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67thRaptorBull

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« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2004, 04:59:00 PM »
fuck it all
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ViNCe_V

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« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2004, 06:54:00 PM »
QUOTE (BloodyMary @ May 25 2004, 01:00 AM)
Yep... and you'll be one of the 1st to go... and I'm sure you'll turn on your fellow soldiers, just like your turn on your fellow Americans every day here...   jester.gif


Well....actually we have too much class to betray our own people. Only one willing to do such a thing could have it cross their mind. Why go to a war simply to fight your own people? I believe 67thRaptorBull as well as everyone else here who is against the war is trying to prevent more death, not contribute to it. Simply because your views differ from ours does not mean we have to resort to violence (like you have by going to War). The pen is often mightier than the sword. For what can one soldier do in a war? A general can do alot, but a single soldier can rarely accomplish anything of great significance. And even when they do, is it really an event to celebrate when they are the sole reason for the deaths of other men? Is a tragedy worth gloating? As a person who protests and writes to spread my thoughts to others and having others support me (thx HeLiuM & 67thRaptorBull) I am able to change policies, which directly change the future.

And another thing....do you really think you are special with your signatures? Taking lines we said with sarcasm and in a form of satire? I wonder if you find my new signature funny? Never thought I'd quote your PM did you  rotfl.gif

And to quote Eminem, "Yea, you laugh till your motherfucking ass gets drafted, while your at band camp thinking the crap can't happen."

QUOTE (67thRaptorBull @ May 25 2004, 01:58 AM)
actually, no because m going to college in 2 years (once im done with high school) and ill be taking to many courses if a fucked up draft did happen


Actually, the new draft would only make you exempt in the above situation only until the end of your current semester. And, draft dodging to Canda does not work either. You can live with me at Japan if you want wink.gif Or go to Mexico.
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« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2004, 07:33:00 PM »
If they had a draft there would be many people who wouldn't do shit.  If they sent me to boot camp I'd just stand around and tell them how ridiculous they are for believing in such a stupid cause.  I'd choose jail over killing innocent civilians anyday.
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« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2004, 01:05:00 AM »
QUOTE (ViNCe_V's signature @ May 25 2004,06:12 AM)
QUOTE (BloodyMary @ May 25 2004 @  02:32 AM)
ViNCe_V: you are right. Please sex me up! I'm a little slut and I like war because it makes all the guys who never dated me die. Do you like me?


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we should kill all the iraqi civilians and then take over the country as a new US state

-QUOTE (BloodyMary @ May 24 2004, 07:00 PM)


and then accusing me of being immature...  laugh.gif
I know who to come to when I need a good laugh... in the mean time,
I'll be putting you on my ignore list  biggrin.gif  thanks again for all the good times...
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« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2004, 01:16:00 AM »
I'd be the same as you Jason, I don't think I have the capacity to be an efficient soldier and I think the reason for this is my ability to question. I'm not degrading the armed forces, I'm just saying that people in the army/navy/raf are able to do something I'm not.
I suppose it would be called insubordination, I'd like to think intelligence.
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67thRaptorBull

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« Reply #28 on: May 25, 2004, 02:18:00 AM »
your welcome marry
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« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2004, 03:14:00 AM »
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I have great experience when dealing with women, I know exactly what to say to piss them off  wink.gif
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