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[IndieSnob]

QUOTE (nemt @ May 17 2004, 04:33 PM)

What's "racin?"  Do you know something the coalition doesn't? Did you even read the news, or do you base all of your information on the daily show?

Excuse me, I confused two words and meant to say SARIN because I was just talking to somebody about a racin case not too many hours ago. Again, nice jump and I've been owned again.

[nemt]

QUOTE (IndieSnob @ May 17 2004, 07:44 PM)

Excuse me, I confused two words and meant to say SARIN because I was just talking to somebody about a racin case not too many hours ago. Again, nice jump and I've been owned again.

Again with this "racin."

http://dictionary.re.../search?q=racin

Must be a bush coverup...

[BenJeremy]

QUOTE (IndieSnob @ May 17 2004, 07:44 PM)

Excuse me, I confused two words and meant to say SARIN because I was just talking to somebody about a racin case not too many hours ago. Again, nice jump and I've been owned again.

I think you mean "RICIN"  - an incredibly toxic substance that can cause heart failure made from the extract of Castor Beans.

I remember the story of a trucker caught transporting a bag from Canada to the US (probably to kill somebody) - at least had enough sense to warn the customs agent about to taste test the stuff as cocaine before he tacked on a life sentence to his growing list of charges.

Similarly, some guy in Texas (or maybe Missouri?) combined Ricin with DMSO (solvent that can act as a skin pentrating agent) and was going to coat his ex-wife's door knobs with the stuff.



Still, if you had bothered to really read up on this, you would NOT confuse the two. Sarin is a sophisticated substance, particularly the stuff that was found. Had it not been improperly used, it could have been VERY dangerous. Disassembling the shell and using the agents as intended (aerosolizing them) in a convoy WOULD have resulted in deaths.

Aerosolizing the binary agents of a handful of these shells in the ventilation system of an airtport, and you've got a disaster.

[nemt]

QUOTE (BenJeremy @ May 17 2004, 07:52 PM)

Still, if you had bothered to really read up on this, you would NOT confuse the two.

His misspelling of "ricin," multiple times, suggests he's never seen the word in print before, which would mean he's never really read a newspaper or done any research beyond television.

[BenJeremy]

QUOTE (Colonel32 @ May 17 2004, 08:00 PM)

Good Posts BenJ   I just read through that stuff and learned a lot. Scary stuff!!

Well, I was trained in NBC countermeasures while I was in the Corps.

I have not doubt scarier stuff has been found in attempts to smuggle it into our country. Preventing panic is enough reason to consider it a National Security issue and keep things quiet.

Suitcase nukes? I bet there's been a few found and disarmed because of radiation detectors spanning all major entry points in countries around the world. (Some background here, discusses detection of cehmical and nuclear materials)

[IndieSnob]

QUOTE (BenJeremy @ May 17 2004, 04:52 PM)

I think you mean "RICIN"  - an incredibly toxic substance that can cause heart failure made from the extract of Castor Beans. I remember the story of a trucker caught transporting a bag from Canada to the US (probably to kill somebody) - at least had enough sense to warn the customs agent about to taste test the stuff as cocaine before he tacked on a life sentence to his growing list of charges. Similarly, some guy in Texas (or maybe Missouri?) combined Ricin with DMSO (solvent that can act as a skin pentrating agent) and was going to coat his ex-wife's door knobs with the stuff. Still, if you had bothered to really read up on this, you would NOT confuse the two. Sarin is a sophisticated substance, particularly the stuff that was found. Had it not been improperly used, it could have been VERY dangerous. Disassembling the shell and using the agents as intended (aerosolizing them) in a convoy WOULD have resulted in deaths. Aerosolizing the binary agents of a handful of these shells in the ventilation system of an airtport, and you've got a disaster.

I did honestly mean ricin, and didn't mean to confuse the two.

On another note, I did read all of the links you posted and now know abit more about it. Thanks for the links. Again, I honestly confused the two because I was talking to someone about a case in my hometown, because I knew people that had worked with this guy,  which was not related to the subject at hand about Sarin.


Here's what I was talking to someone else about..

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[self]

After reading BenJs post, I will withdraw my statement that Sarin is not a WMD. While it wasn't when the Aum Shinrikyo sect used it, it can be.

However, I find it completely ridiculous to say that this means WMD has been found in Iraq. The explosion caused two people to be treated for 'minor exposure'. No one was seriously harmed. No matter how you put it, that's not mass destruction. This shell, just like the one that was found earlier, was dated back to the Iran-Iraq war. It's not the 500 tons of sarin Bush claimed that Saddam had at his disposal. Iraq was invaded because it was said to be a military threat. It wasn't.

Infact on February 24, 2001, Colin Powell himself said that it wasn't. Here's the quote: "He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbours."

Sources:
The US department of state's press conference transcript
News story

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Only an IDIOT would think we should have found "something" by now

Of course something would have been found by now! There are 130 000 troops in Iraq. They found Saddam hiding in a whole in the ground, yet not one have been found of the illegal weapons Powell claimed was there in his remarks to the UN.

Yesterday, Colin Powell said that he was wrong to claim last year that Iraq had mobile biological weapons factories.
In february he said that if he had been told it had no stockpiles of banned weapons he might not have recommended an invasion of Iraq.

So lets get our facts straight:
No weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq, and no-one belives they are there. Two shells from the early eighties have been found. That is all.