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BenJeremy

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Iraqi Wmd Found In Roadside Bomb
« on: May 17, 2004, 05:53:00 AM »



Here's the story


Hmmmm.... Saddam had no WMDs, eh? Obviously, they were merely hidden well. The first of, I suspect, much more material to be found in the coming months.
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andrusk

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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2004, 06:13:00 AM »

[sarcasm]No no no.  The right wing planted that artillery round. Sadaam never had anything to do with that sarin round.  I mean common!  Sadaam and WMDS?!   Give me a break!  laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2004, 06:47:00 AM »

I would read this as well

http://news.bbc.co.u...ast/3722255.stm

Just a different source of news
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BloodyMary

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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2004, 06:50:00 AM »

Based on the time frame as to when this is found, especially if they find more in the next coming months... it will surely bring suspition as to if the Bush administration ordered WMD's planted there, however, I would think that if weapons were planted, someone involved would talk... It will be interesting to watch in the next few months if more WMDs are found.  The media coverage of the finds and the reactions from other countries and the left and right.
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BenJeremy

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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2004, 07:00:00 AM »

Peaceniks have been setting up the "Planted WMD" thing since the start of all this.

If they could, they'd also have you believe we gave them the gas that killed thousands of Kurds and Iranians, too.


It doesn't change the truth of reality here. Maybe this will sober up the dupes who've fallen for the likes of idiots like Noam Chomsky (3 million casualties? not even remotely close) and others who play on people's paranoia and fear to forward their anti-American, anti-Western agenda.

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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2004, 07:10:00 AM »

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - A small amount of the nerve agent sarin was found in a shell that exploded in Iraq.


That is another quote from Reuters (dependable).


Aparently they have found bother Sarin nerve agent and mustard gas.  Both of which Saddam said he did not have.  The hunt will continue but what are the political implecations of this?


Now, I understand that there will be people who say "Oh, it was hardly any or it was such a small amount."  To these people I must say that you are wrong.  Even the smallest amount of evidence shows what everyone knew.  Saddam had weapons of these caliber.  Note:  Saddam did have had these weapons but what he was good at was hiding them.  I mean he had 15 years to do so and everyone can become good at something after 15 years of yanking the worlds chain.
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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2004, 08:40:00 AM »

QUOTE (Arvarden @ May 17 2004, 12:01 PM)
If there are stock piles of WMD's in Iraq I just hope the coalition finds them before the undesirables find them.

Great point... It would be a severe negative to have the undesirables find them first (I'm speaking of the likes of al Qaeda and other such groups).

Oh and to anyone who's going to say 'if the had them, why didn't they use them?'
I remind you, that when we were bombing their military targets, they were to busy scrambling to save their own lives to have time to even wipe their asses.

I, btw, still believe that we (the U.S.) had flawed intelligence that led the Administration and the congress to believe that Sadam had and/or was heavily developing weapons of mass destruction. They believed that Sadam (figuratively Sadam anyway) was feverishly working on the developement of his own Nuclear arsenal.
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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2004, 01:25:00 PM »

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If they could, they'd also have you believe we gave them the gas that killed thousands of Kurds and Iranians, too.


Ive already provided a link and a list of American and European companies that sold Iraq chemical, balistic and other forms of weaponry. Its in another thread and very thorough.

It is common fact that we (US and UK), supplied Saddam with chemical weapons.
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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2004, 02:17:00 PM »

It's not like anyone is suprised to find sarin gas in Iraq.  Thousands of Iraqis and Iranians have choked to death on it.
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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2004, 02:20:00 PM »

My god, just imagine the catastrophe that would have occured had the artillery shell exploded within the United States.  It's a good thing $80 billion was spent to transport 200,000 soldiers to overthrow the government of Iraq and put the entire country into trumoil.  Who knows how many American lives have been saved today.
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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2004, 02:48:00 PM »

yea, i know flaser, i mean, just think of all those long range intercontinental missiles saddam had  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

anyways, i knew somewhere there were weapons over there, but i also knew it wouldnt be shitloads and shitloads, definatly not alot as to cuase mass chaos and death in another country NOW A DAYS. (i dont care what happened in the past, fact is thats the past)
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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2004, 03:32:00 PM »

I don't think either side should be boasting/moaning about this current news. Untill we find out (if we can) where the racin originated from, who planted it, etc. it looks just as bad IMO to come to conclusions about it.
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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2004, 03:33:00 PM »

QUOTE (IndieSnob @ May 17 2004, 07:32 PM)
I don't think either side should be boasting/moaning about this current news. Untill we find out (if we can) where the racin originated from, who planted it, etc. it looks just as bad IMO to come to conclusions about it.

What's "racin?"  Do you know something the coalition doesn't?

Did you even read the news, or do you base all of your information on the daily show?
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BenJeremy

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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2004, 03:34:00 PM »

A couple fo things here:

1. Sarin, military grade, IS a WMD. The strength of the Sarin used by Aum Shinrikyo was of poor quality - "homemade" Sarin, if you will. The type of stuff Saddam had stockpiled is "top flight" stuff - binary agents designed to be stored for long periods and remain stable. One drop can kill a person.


2. The artillery shell that was found was unmarked (typical of regimes like Saddam's). It is highly unlikely that the insurgents knew what they had, otherwise they would have used it properly. They thought they were using a fragmentable HE 155mm artillery shell, a nasty thing to be near when they explode.

3. Gas artillery shells, of the type found, are designed to mix the gas after being fired from the artillery piece, then aerosolize on impact. Very little explosive is contained, hence the piss-poor effect as a road side bomb, both from an explosive AND from a gas perspective. As I undertsand it, while the shell was not marked, the bomb squad knew what they were dealing with, and likely took countermeasures (which probably resulted in the accidental detonation - MOP gear is hard to defuse a bomb while wearing)

4. Found one shell.... where there's smoke, there's fire. We didn't find all of Saddam's Air Force yet, either - just a handful of fighters that had become uncovered enough to be distinguished from outcroppings in the desert. Saddam had a LOT of construction projects, and many of them ended with the deaths of the entire crews. He had SECRETS - and 20+ years to prepare to keep them.

5. Actually, a shell with Mustard gas was found on the streets a month or two ago. Little press, because the military downplayed it as an ancient remnant of the Iran-Iraq war. This judgement might have been disinformation, however, to downplay the idea that the "insurgents" might get of looking for more.

6. The search for WMDs will take years. Will they search every crate in every warehouse? How about the potential of desert caches? Can they cross the border into Syria and inspect potential hiding spots Saddam might have been given there? Only an IDIOT would think we should have found "something" by now. Saddam knew EXACTLY what he had and where it was, and it was probably trivial to move and hide then destroy any evidence of such activity. Iraq is a BIG place. 100,000+ troops could maybe form a giant police line - and still only cover 1/100th of the country in a year.

As for who supplied the weapons, it's likely the RAW MATERIALS were supplied by any number of companies from any number of countries. AND? It doesn't require much in the way of controlled materials to build a factory and create chemical weapons (or even biological, for that matter) - it just takes money and infrastructure. It helps to have a cut-throat, ruthless government in place to oversee and prevent leaks. The fact that the shells are unmarked demonstrates that they did NOT come from a NATO or Warsaw Pact country. Most likely, they were manufactured in Iraq.


On a side note, 10 Syrian "technicians" (from Centre d'Etudes et de Recherche Scientific "CERS" - windely seen as Syria's WMD research center) were reportedly killed in that devastating train explosion in North Korea (blamed on Ammonium Nitrate tanker colliding with a fuel tanker - sure - what happened to all the cars that would have been BETWEEN them on the two trains? - "Hey! you got your Ammonium Nitrate in my Petroleum distillate!").  The explosion was akin to a low-yeild nuke, and the NK military dispatched personnel in MOP-type NBC gear - quickly. Some claim it was a tanker of rocket fuel, but again - why would THAT need to be acquired in NK?
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