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[melon]

The US and Britain both use Cluster bombs and depleted Uranium shells. These are indescrimently killing civillians and will continue to do so in the years to come after the war is finished and our tropps have gone home.

This war on terror should be against us, not purpotrated by us. These wepons should be outlawed and we should be pushing our governments into banning them. The US government refuses to sign a treaty outlawing landmines as this would mean having to stop using cluster bombs.

Read the info on these pages and you can never defend the use of these wepons. We are not "liberating" the people by using them.

Cluster bombs
http://www.hrw.org/b...ter-bck1031.htm
http://www.hrw.org/p...lusterbombs.htm
http://free.freespee...usterBombs.html
http://hrw.org/repor...us-afghanistan/


Depleted Uranium
http://news.bbc.co.u...pth/2860759.stm
http://www.sundayherald.com/32522
http://www.japantime...n20031122b3.htm

If anyone describes the Human rights watch as liberal hippies then you will just prove what a complete arrogant ignorant dick they are.

This shows we should not be in Iraq and we are WORSE than Saddam.

[nemt]

Depleted uranium isn't any more dangerous than lead, and cluster bombs are the only way to clear caves.

EDIT: I'll grant you one thing, the USA is much worse than Saddam, for Islamists and other enemies of freedom in Iraq.

[melon]

read the links first, then comment!

[nemt]

I know all about anti-personnel weaponry, and I know exactly what the left thinks of it.  Frankly, the US needs to worry more about American civilians dying than arab civilians dying, because no one else will.

[BenJeremy]

Geez.... DU is NOT dangerous (unless you are the one being shot at), nor is it a "WMD" - cluster bombs are not WMDs either.

With that criteris, I guess my hunting rifle is a "WMD"


Unexploded ordinance is always a problem in a battlefield. The worst are booby traps, followed by landmines. None of these qualify as "WMD"



HOWEVER, it does demonstrate a decidedly stupid double standard, however, to selectively classify US weapons as WMDs, but then claim Iraq had none.

[melon]

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the US needs to worry more about American civilians dying than arab civilians dying, because no one else will.

I worry about both dying but about 2000 (rest were forigners), American civillians have died. American military has caused the death of MILLIONS of civillians over the last few decades.

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Unexploded ordinance is always a problem in a battlefield

You obviously couldnt be bothered to read the links then.
Baghdad is not a battlefield as much as New York wasnt a battlefield.

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HOWEVER, it does demonstrate a decidedly stupid double standard, however, to selectively classify US weapons as WMDs, but then claim Iraq had none.

I was pointing out that America and Britain have far more dangerous weapons than Iraq.


edit: BJ read the link to Japan times online. The 1st link I give stated DU wasnt dangerous so people could make a balanced judgement. Although, it was by the US military so it could be a little biased.

[67thRaptorBull]

QUOTE (nemt @ May 12 2004, 07:05 AM)

Depleted uranium isn't any more dangerous than lead, and cluster bombs are the only way to clear caves.

wait, cluster bombs are the only way to clear caves???

tell me how, a bomb that drops lots of little, unguided bombs, is supposed to fly into a cave and do its job?
and all those little bombs wont collapse the cave.....

your telling me, a bunker buster cant clear a cave, but a cluster bomb can....?  

[havocaose]

i think he means they are the only way to get the people hiding out in caves out of there to fight.... lol that makes no sense though

[67thRaptorBull]

hmm, in that case, i guess theres absoluteyl no other way  

anyways, no matter what, the US will always have the worst and most threatening weapons, yet we say will never use them, but whos to say in 20 years we dont get some crazy ass guy in  the whitehouse, then the shit would hit the fan  

[BloodyMary]

QUOTE (67thRaptorBull @ May 12 2004, 07:12 PM)

anyways, no matter what, the US will always have the worst and most threatening weapons, yet we say will never use them

The use of WMD (nukes and others) isn't solely at the commander-in-chief's discretion.

and as for:

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but whos to say in 20 years we dont get some crazy ass guy in  the whitehouse

We've already had/have.

[Intensecure]

Chomskyites unite!
The US is leading the world into an armageddon.
Fuck Bush.
Fuck the US administration.
Take the power back.

[BloodyMary]

QUOTE (Intensecure @ May 13 2004, 11:13 AM)

The US is leading the world into an armageddon.

Hey Asshole... I live in the US and I am part of the US...
I am not leading the world into any armageddon.
I choose to live in the US, even if I don't believe in the choices
that our political and military leaders take on every issue.
Here, I am comfortable, here I am happy, here, I don't live in
fear.  I do fear travelling to foreign lands and there is no
reason that I should have to... but there are those out there that
want me to have that fear and do things to be sure that
I am reminded why I have that fear.  Those people need
to be eliminated and wiped off the earth, for they are the
scourge of the world.  The US as a whole is a great country
with mostly great people here.  I believe the same of
most other countries in the world as well, however
I do not know those countries as I do not live there day in
and day out.  There's more to write... but for a later day...

[Intensecure]

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There's more to write... but for a later day..

Surely right. And I mean no offence. I am English, and my family has lived in the US for the last 20 years, whilst I have lived in Europe and Asia.
Irrational fear is one of the problems - I fear visiting my family in the US more than I fear living in Asia.
I fear an administration that believes in: http://www.guardian....1195568,00.html
And please don't call me an asshole for my beliefs when I didn't call you one for yours.

[melon]

im pretty sure guardian links can only be viewed free in this country. I used a couple in an argument with i think andrusk. He couldnt view unless he paid.

Bloody Mary is just one of those people (I hate to use this but it is a good analogy), who is happy to be plugged into the matrix.

[BloodyMary]

QUOTE (melon @ May 13 2004, 01:57 PM)

Bloody Mary is just one of those people (I hate to use this but it is a good analogy), who is happy to be plugged into the matrix.

Ok fantasy land boy...

That's as retarded as it sounds...

I am happy in my comfort zone and if being in my comfort zone gives me happiness... there's no reason to change that...

Try to refute this if you want... of course you'll just prove yourself to be an angry person...