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QUOTE (TSOPrano @ Apr 10 2004, 06:51 PM)

Ehm... What religion went on the genocidal spree which we call, The Great Crusades? Oh but wait, they were white, and from Europe so it doesn't matter. I'm glad to see some people interested in this topic. Would be nice to hear some right-wing views on the situation but my extreme left-wing side tells me to say: "They don't want to say anything because they know they are WRONG. The realize the current regime in which the White House is occupied by is WRONG.  "

We evolved albeit mainly in the last 65 years where a major leap forward has been made whereas islamic states are still stuck very much in the dark ages.

Take your leftist views to Saudi or Iran and try building a christian church or try to mention womens rights and see how far it gets you.


PS. I think that book was a bestseller in Spain.

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We evolved albeit mainly in the last 65 years where a major leap forward has been made whereas islamic states are still stuck very much in the dark ages. Take your leftist views to Saudi or Iran and try building a christian church or try to mention womens rights and see how far it gets you.

Sorry don't exactly follow what you are saying. Jews and Christians have be about the most extremist of religions throughout the course of history spanning for THOUSANDS of years.

Also, wtf is up with you saying to take my leftist Christian views to Saudi Arabia or Iran. Incase you didn't notice im against the "good Christian way" the American government works.

I do realize that not all Muslim's are extremist's but there is still a great dislike of America in the Middle East. I'm not extremist (nor Islamic, but am of Syrian descent) but dislike "America", not the people or the country, but the way its falsely elected regime goes about things. (and the lies they tell like Ms. Rice   )

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Syria one of the biggest sponsors of terrorism and where I personally believe a lot of WMD is hidden. We saw the illegal pipeline that pumping out oil to go around the UN sanctions in Iraq . That fuel and pipeline wouldnt have been done out of brotherly love either.

And actually I watched all the Rice hearing live and saw no lies infact if there had of been shed have been out on her ear .

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QUOTE (player1 @ Apr 10 2004, 07:41 AM)

Why then only in America ? Why isnt AL Jazeera  broadcasting condemnations from high ranking clerics or Ayatollas from Islamics states ? Instead of just always being thier to film hostages being held or screening Bin Laden tapes. You blame the press I dont . I blame the senior clerics and Ayatollas because believe me in these Islamic states if these people wanted top speak out then they would and could . They are quick enough to use the media to shout out Jihad against the western world. Oh yes you said the islamic religion preaches peace that being the case then what the heck is a Jihad ?

Why only in America and not in Iran or Iraq? Could it be because of the
current war in Iraq? Or the fact that only those calling for war against the US are chosen for news broadcast? If you seriously think all Muslims are out to kill all Americans because of these extremist leaders calling for retaliation against the US, then you're seriously misinformed.
It also shows the kind of guy you are when you jumped on the syria and WMD thing right after the guy said he was syrian.

Back to the main thread topic. I agree with some of the thread starter's points, and most of the others' too. There's too much crap going on all over the world and it seems like no one bothers to question the government's roles in all of this, and it doesn't help that news all over the world seems to be always one sided.

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 religion is once again showing its true colours in its bid for global domination.

Gunmen attack Indonesian church

Seven people have been wounded in a shooting at an Easter church service on the Indonesian island of Sulawesi.
Hundreds of people have died on the island in conflicts between Christians and Muslims.

Police said two gunmen burst into the church on Saturday night and sprayed the congregation with automatic weapons fire before escaping.

Hospital staff said on Sunday none of the injured, who included a four-year-old girl, were in imminent danger.

The shootings happened just outside the town of Poso in central Sulawesi, an area that has acquired an unenviable reputation for inter-religious violence.

Different strategy

Hundreds of people have died around Poso, and despite a peace accord signed between leaders of the Muslim and Christian communities in 2001, the region remains a powder keg.

Analysts say that much of the unrest is being stirred up by members of the same group that attacked foreign tourists on the island of Bali a year and a half ago and is unlikely to end any time soon.

A recent report by the International Crisis Group said some members of the group, known as Jemaah Islamiyah (JI), were pursuing a different strategy from the Bali bombers.

It said that this branch of JI believed attacking foreigners was counter-productive and it instead decided to work towards establishing an Islamic state in Indonesia, starting in Poso.

But the report also warns that some militants are likely to become frustrated with the slow progress and return to a more confrontational path.

Saturday's attack may indicate that trend is accelerating.


http://news.bbc.co.u...fic/3617401.stm

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QUOTE (player1 @ Apr 10 2004, 06:56 PM)

We evolved albeit mainly in the last 65 years where a major leap forward has been made whereas islamic states are still stuck very much in the dark ages.

ROFL retard

I'm not even gonna go into a history lesson with this guy.

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ROFLMAO you ARE retarded!

[Heet]

Hope Bush gets re-elected and all the liberals move to Europe.  Actually I think they would all run out of money and become another third world country who depends on aid from the US and then bastardize the US for not giving enough.  So funny how a group of people who espouses to "tolerance" is the most intollerant.  And honestly, I dont give a shit anymore why arabs dont like us.  Im more concerned of why I dont like them.  TSOPrano get your head out of your ass and go to moveon.org where people believe in black helicopters and dont believe in God.  They will welcome someone like you.

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Cardinal criticises Muslim 'silence'

The head of the Catholic Church in England and Wales has echoed criticism of Muslim leaders for not doing enough to denounce acts of terrorism.
Cardinal Cormac Murphy O'Connor told the GMTV Sunday Programme he agreed with comments made by the former Archbishop of Canterbury, Lord Carey.

Last month, Lord Carey said not enough moderate Muslims condemned attacks carried out "in the name of Allah".

Since then, Muslim leaders have urged mosques to help police fight terrorism.

When Lord Carey said too few Muslim leaders clearly condemned the evil of suicide bombers, Muslim leaders accused him of "religious prejudice".

Building bridges

But the cardinal said: "I think what he said was fundamentally true."

"He had highlighted something that needed to be highlighted."

He said the former archbishop, who had made his comments on the eve of a seminar between Christians and Muslims in New York, had contributed a lot of his life to building bridges between the two faiths.

Cardinal Murphy O'Connor also called on the West to tackle the gross poverty and inequality which was the root cause of terrorism.

"If the western world were to devote itself in a very real and sacrificial way to helping the two thirds of the world and especially those parts of the world that live in gross poverty, and did it in a way that actually denied themselves, then I think we'd have a more peaceful world."

He said part of the terror threat came out of countries that felt they had not been treated justly.

Lord Carey caused outrage with his lecture in Rome last month when he said regimes in Islamic countries were often authoritarian and committed to power and privilege.

Muslim leaders

He added people looked to Muslims to condemn suicide bombers and terrorists who destroyed innocent lives.

But apart from a few courageous examples, very few Muslim leaders clearly condemned the evil of suicide bombers, he claimed.

Muslim Council of Britain secretary general Iqbal Sacranie has said he was dismayed by Lord Carey's comments.

Speaking last month, he said: "One is surprised to find Lord Carey recycling the same old religious prejudice in the 21st Century."

The media often ignored statements condemning terrorist acts, Mr Sacranie added.

Soon afterwards, the Muslim Council of Britain took the unprecedented step of writing to every mosque, urging people to help in the fight against terror.

http://news.bbc.co.u.../uk/3616505.stm




The guy is bang on.

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QUOTE (Heet @ Apr 11 2004, 12:33 PM)

Hope Bush gets re-elected and all the liberals move to Europe.  Actually I think they would all run out of money and become another third world country who depends on aid from the US and then bastardize the US for not giving enough.  So funny how a group of people who espouses to "tolerance" is the most intollerant.  And honestly, I dont give a shit anymore why arabs dont like us.  Im more concerned of why I dont like them.  TSOPrano get your head out of your ass and go to moveon.org where people believe in black helicopters and dont believe in God.  They will welcome someone like you.

It's when I read stuffs like this I realize why you bless the war; You have no idea what it's all about and since neither the government nor you like the people living thousands of miles away with their "strange" believes, why not bomb them?

R-E-S-P-E-C-T!!!!

If we can't respect eachothers believes and cultures war will take place. I dislike ALL religions equally, and I'm critically questioning people about religion. But I still respect they've got different ways of looking at religions, as long as they can respect that I'm secularized. Mutual respect is so easy, yet so hard, but if one can't have mutual respect as a motto then it's a tougher situation right from the beginning. And respect is probably only achieved through knowledge.

To attack a country for NO reasons whatsoever(they claimed reasons, which were false, though we all know it was about the oil) is inexcusable, and as an individual to support such a war is both ignorant and inexcusable.

What's wrong with being liberal? Society changes fast nowadays and our old ways must be adapted(not torn apart) to suit the new world, or society will collapse(and has in many ways already).

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You asked whats wrong with liberals.

*oh, and you said that I dont understand what the war is about.  I do know what its about, but truthfully at this point bro, I dont care anymore.  These people have fought for over 2000 years and dont want to reach a truce.  I find as much fault in the jews with this as do I with the arabs.  They are both irrationale and bloodthirsty.  Im sick and tired of my government spending my money to make these two enemys friends.  I think we should leave the middle east alone and let it kill itself.  If they dont want our help, cool.  The problem with my stance is that 90% of the worlds energy comes from there and its in the best interest of the WORLD (not just the US) to make them find a way to be friends.  And so the cycle continues.......

[talic]

QUOTE (player1 @ Apr 11 2004, 02:39 PM)

Whats wrong with be liberal is a topic of its own.

I love this guy's grammar.

Either he's some foreigner whose a wannabe american or some incestual hick spawned from a bloody vaginal belch who gets off to internet news.

Why don't you actually post something that is NOT copied?

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Master Chief will understand what I wrote, I can't expect ignorant, uncultured neo-imperialistic swine such as yourself to even comprehend it.  

Oh and cheers m8!

jolly good show eh?