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[heinrich]

QUOTE (nemt @ Mar 16 2004, 12:31 AM)

QUOTE (heinrich @ Mar 16 2004, 12:30 AM) QUOTE (nemt @ Mar 16 2004, 12:27 AM) Gays have equal rights.  Marriage is defined as one man and one woman, nothing gives any group, including gays, the right to change that definition.  Gays are not being discriminated against, they are allowed to marry, as they should be...they just can't "marry" each other, because that's not what marriage is in the eyes of the United States. And nothing can change ? Not when it violates the civil rights of every american.  By enforcing laws not voted upon or passed by any branch of government, everyone suffers.

I don't see how it violates any of my rights.  Marriage is left to the states, if the state legislature in Mass. wants to let gays marry, it doesn't effect me at all.

Besides... the popular vote doesnt always win  

[Xeero]

I should note the I live in Massachusetts, so I'm in the proverbial line of of fire...but they can get married all they want as far as I'm concerned and it won't infringe upon me or mine.

[cool_guy]

[Heet]

I dont know why this hasn't filtered down but all of this isn't just about marriage.  In other words, its not about two people in love and how they are eternally devoted to each other.  This is about benefits, ability to rear children legally togther, and compensations that come with being married. With so many activist liberal judges that think they are employed to write law, they may get their way.

[rahula]

first of all....most people don't know much about John Kerry beside he was a vet and shaken up Nixon. I know election is 8 month away and need to focus on each candidate's issue. Right now, california is way too f**k up and I don't even know when am I going to see a pink slip in my inbox. Bush got credit for winning the war but what do we get? Now I am paying $1.95 a gallon in San francisco bay area. All the tech jobs gone to forgien country and state budgert cut from terminator gobvernor, all I can say is I live just above  shit hole.
I will decide my vote base on
1) future economic recovery plan
2) concrete budget plan for my state
3) social issue base on reality not literacy and belief
4) clear well objected foreign policy
5) healthcare plan and social security for our elderly
6) create jobs for working class not creating stinking rich policy for rich.
candidate who can focus on issues and provide more clear no BS plan and no personnel attack will get my attention and my vote.

P.S
for all bros who got issue with gay marriage. I am against the gay marriage but I am for creating equal right for gay couple like other non gay married couple has..i.e sprousal health care, equal right, will,property and child issue like the power that regular married couple( man and woman) got. Believe me, I am sick and tired of seeing long line infornt of City hall for gay marriage license in past month. But I am nothing against gay people since I have lots of co-worker and friends who are gays but highly educated and wonderful people.

[ffggff]

So because a person has a different "sexual orientation" we should allow them rights like marrying?  What about pedophiles?  They have a sexual orientation towards children.  Should we now start allowing them to marry so they can feel equal and not persecuted?  I don't know if I agree on an amendment regarding marriage, but allowing a FAG to marry is total nonsense.

Back on topic..
Bush has taken a leader role.  Some of his decisions are unpopular, but they are the correct ones.  No one wants to make a choice to go to war knowing several innocent people will die.  Choices he makes are difficult, but none the less accurate.  I will support Bush/Cheney next election.

[HiRoll3r]

QUOTE (rahula @ Mar 17 2004, 10:40 AM)

first of all....most people don't know much about John Kerry beside he was a vet and shaken up Nixon. I know election is 8 month away and need to focus on each candidate's issue. Right now, california is way too f**k up and I don't even know when am I going to see a pink slip in my inbox. Bush got credit for winning the war but what do we get? Now I am paying $1.95 a gallon in San francisco bay area. All the tech jobs gone to forgien country and state budgert cut from terminator gobvernor, all I can say is I live just above  shit hole. I will decide my vote base on 1) future economic recovery plan 2) concrete budget plan for my state 3) social issue base on reality not literacy and belief 4) clear well objected foreign policy 5) healthcare plan and social security for our elderly 6) create jobs for working class not creating stinking rich policy for rich. candidate who can focus on issues and provide more clear no BS plan and no personnel attack will get my attention and my vote. P.S for all bros who got issue with gay marriage. I am against the gay marriage but I am for creating equal right for gay couple like other non gay married couple has..i.e sprousal health care, equal right, will,property and child issue like the power that regular married couple( man and woman) got. Believe me, I am sick and tired of seeing long line infornt of City hall for gay marriage license in past month. But I am nothing against gay people since I have lots of co-worker and friends who are gays but highly educated and wonderful people.

Damn, where are you paying $1.95? Cheapest I've found in the last few days is $2.12.

[rahula]

san rafael...last week...now everywhere $2.25....I think i am gonna take bus soon.

[Master-Chief]

[gronne]

QUOTE (shanafan @ Mar 16 2004, 05:21 AM)

It is okay when a guy and girl kiss, but what if you, or your children, saw two men kissing in public? I just wouldn't want my child to see something that isn't right. Or, maybe the couple would be victims of assault, or even more, for such a thing?

How cynical you are Shanafan. So what would happen if you or your son would see gay people kissing eachother, something that "isn't right"? Would you and your son become homosexuals? Perhaps you'd instead get a liberal way of thinking, wheras you respect people for not denying who they are.


On topic: Why do you people love guns that much? If I use violent force on you people I might have solved the "issue" for the time being, but the only thing you're thinking is "when I get the right time I'm going to nail that ass-hole". Violence creates more violence. That's why there's more terrorists fighting USA than ever, since you started the "War on Terror". I'm not saying I've got the solution but diplomacy SHOULD have been the way to start, now it's a little late.

BTW, is the price on gas 2,25$ a litre or gallon? In Sweden it's about 1,3$ a litre, so I suppose you're talking gallons, right? How much is an american gallon? It's about 3,8 or 4,5 litres, right?  The english is 4,5 then I'd guess. (We don't use gallons whatsoever here). Your gas would still be a whole lot cheaper than ours.

[thomes08]

QUOTE (shanafan @ Mar 16 2004, 05:23 AM)

QUOTE (Xeero @ Mar 16 2004, 12:22 AM) They can already kiss in public.  They are already victims of persecution. And gay marriages becoming legal would make it worse. It would be best for the gay community not to get married.

that's kinda sick you think of it as making something worse if they're open.  Worry about yourself and if your kid sees gay people kissing and dosen't know what to think about it.  Explain to them that if they want to do what's best they shouldn't listen to their fathers views on judging people for what they love

[lordvader129]

im not antigay, but i think the institution of marriage shoudl be reserved for one man and one woman

HOWEVER, what seems to me is the main argument for gay marriegaes is for health beneifts from spouse's insurance, collection pensions, life insurance, those sort of things reserved for "married" couples, and i feel those benefits should be given to a declared homesexual life partner, same concept, just not referring to it as "mariage"

now on to bush, i like him, i liek his policies, i think hes a good president

iraq: yes, he did the right thing, his timing may not have been teh best, but it had to be done, everyone is saying "well we didnt find an WMDs in iraq" well that just goes to show you we waited too long, its no secret that hussein had nerve gas int eh past, hes used it against his own peopel as well as american soldiers in the first gulf war, hussein is easily one of the worst human beings since hitler, even though they arent finding any gas in iraq, look at what the are finding, hudreds of thousands of bodies burried in mass graves, simply because they were kurds or didnt agree with saddams policies (and for those who disagree with bushs policy, you shoudl feel damn lucky and proud that you live in a country where you are ALLOWED to disagree with the president)


also, alot of people say "hes using the war(s) to distract peopel form what is going on at home" well guess what, EVERY presisdent does that! or am i the only one that remembers clinton launching cruise missile attacks on an terrorist compound THE DAY OF his impeachment hearing


anyway, i have a bunch more to say, but ill refrain from rambling, i support bush and i have my reasons, sure hes not the best pres we ever had, but hes far from the worst, and alot better than peopel give him credit for

[ffggff]

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So let me get this right, you will knowingly re elect an administration that lies to you?

Show me your facts that support your claim?  








None...End of story.

[nemt]

QUOTE (ffggff @ Mar 22 2004, 02:58 PM)

QUOTE So let me get this right, you will knowingly re elect an administration that lies to you? Show me your facts that support your claim?   None...End of story.

Amen.

[HSDEMONZ]

It's not even that people are stupid.  It's more about the alternative we have.  In the states.. Most people didn't even know Kerry until he had his face plastered all over the TV at the outset of war last year.

In the case of Canada.. The 2 alternative parties to the ruling one.. are both in embrionic rebuilding stages. I don't see them putting up enough resistance to pull out a win. Doesn't matter if they are right about everything they say.

Winning Elections isn't about what is right.. or being right. It's about influence.. and popularity to some extent.

The Terminator's win last yeat was a case in point. Watching Arnold realize his political aspirations was cool and all.. but he did it on a limp/lukewarm platform with little or no ideas.  I hope his enthusiams at least meake up for his inexperience.

Course.. he married into an interesting family.. who can teach him alot.