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[Novahux]

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I honestly don't know why so many people have faith in the unknowable, many of whom I truly respect, while I can't fathom it.

well said, this is the dilema of most Agnostics. Some prentend to be christian just to make life easier.

[Raver758]

hahaha

[johnnobts]

i'm not sure what bob's religious affiliation is, aside from the fact he's an aggie, which means he's a heretic (lol).  sic'em bears!

concerning myself, I'm a Baptist.  The only other Christian denomination I would likely have become would have been Presbyterian, but i feel that the Baptist doctrine concerning the ordinance of baptism (for believers only) is more in line (and certainly more biblical) with the New Testament church.  But first and foremost I am an evangelical Christian (i.e., a committed follower of Christ who actually understands that being a Christian means more than simply being someone who goes to church).  Evangelical meaning that we proclaim the good news of Christ (evangelizo in the Greek means "to share good news" which is that Jesus has brought peace b/w God and man).

[zorplex]

(That’s actually how I ended up here, God works in wondrous ways )

P.S.S.- Sorry for the essay, I am really tired and kinda got a little ecstatic. I probably won’t be coming back here since I spend very little time in these boards in the first place, as you can see from my post counts, so any arguments toward my statements will probably remain unanswered from me, but I might check back later, you never know... Peace!

P.S.S.S.- Man, I would just like to state, I have sinned as much as anyone else out there, lying, cheating, etc. but through Christ I find salvation from my incompetence.

P.S.S.S.S.- Oh yeah, just FYI, I am a Christian attending and a member of a Babtist church, but attended Methodist churches until a couple years back when we moved in with my new Step-Mother who attended a Babtist church here in town. I am very interested in the Math and Sciences and plan to attend MIT if all goes according to plan, so I’m not a theological major in any way.

P.S.S.S.S.S.- Sorry for all the PSS..., it was meant as a way to get some final fairly unrelated thoughts in that all started with the plug for Halo mods and kind of a joke just so you know, so don’t flame me for it... :/ Once again I apologize for the length...

[cainedna]

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I believe there is wrong, without this basic standard nothing can be argued right or wrong, and all sense and logic is lost, creating utter chaos.

I do agree, as far as certain things can be considered "wrong," but I'm not sure about your system of determining it's validity.

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If someone came to my house one day and killed my family just for the fun of it, I would hold them both responsible and accountable for their actions, it is possible for someone to do something wrong.

In all honesty, just for the fun of it is a rare reason for anyone to do anything, especially murder. Usually motives involve money, fear, or beliefs. For instance, take the crusades. In retrospect, we understand that the crusades were wrong, because the true motives were anything but actual revelation, but from the point of view of a crusader involved, the goals were quite noble, to ransack and kill as many "heretics" as possible. That includes innocent women, children, most likely pregnant mothers, as well.
Having said that, if you believed that God spoke to you, and that you should kill someone, would you? Are there any instances that you would kill someone for your religious beliefs, not just self-defense?

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I simply cannot accept that truth is created as someone as imperfect as me, or can be explained by anyone less than perfect.

In a lot of cases, that is the case. Laws are man-made. The code of Hammurabi predates the 10 commandments (to the best of my guessing.) One thing you must also realize, that I keep stressing, is that your ability to percieve the world around you is inherently flawed, therefore even if the truth you held was in fact, undeniable, your own judgments are not.
So if I think that it's more likely that there is no God, and that religion is a tool of the powerful (which can be historically proven, often,) then there's no place for actual truth to exist. That doesn't mean that society can't make these judgements itself, and agree that murder is something that we don't want to happen, as protection for ourselves and those we care about. Beliefs like that have been around as long as rule has existed, certainly before the New Testament informed us that Hell exists.

[vesebr]

i believe in reincarnation...

read the book:
Many Minds, Many Masters

it will change your opinion forever!

[leftwing]

I don't really care I'll just be glad to get it over with and be dead already.

[johnnobts]

i was impressed for a 15 year old to be spouting out so many philosophically profound statements. to you, young man, I would encourage you to read C.S. Lewis' masterpiece "Mere Christianity."  This is a great apologetic work written by a brilliant man who went from an atheist/agnostic to Christian through his reading the Bible.  His arguments for God's existence (mostly foundational and moral)  are excellent.  

But again,  as I've stressed repeatedly in my posts, its not about intellect here, it is much more significant than that.  There are both brilliant Christians and non-Christians in the world.  Smart people or dumb people don't necessarily become Christians b/c they're smarter or dumber (niave) than anyone else.  We become beleivers in Christ through the illuminating work of the Holy Spirit, as he opens up our eyes so we may understand our true sinful nature and need for redemption.

[jackster]

If you go somewhere when you die be happy cause your still 'living'.
If your dead, what you gonna do, moan about it? Your dead, you can't argue. The last thing you'll do is say 'damn, I'm dead, wish I could go back and edit my post on those x-box forums'.

[Raver758]

I don't think Any religion is real. I'm not stomping on anyone I'm Jewish myself but I don't fallow it but I respect it like I respect others. even if we got to prove there was somewhere after life. I don't think there Is hell its most likely haven. What If the main light up there said ok these people have diff religions but IM going to make it so each persons "god" tells them to do this and this. And when they pass away what they believed in would be true.

Oh yea you know something that intrest me You know those shows Crossing with Whoever so they can contact the dead and talk to them. How come the parents never ask or the person never asks the love ones that are passt away if there in heaven or hell or where exactly they are?


To bring this out of the question

You know how we only have 1 earth do you think if we do ever figure out how to get light speed that we would find other earth's just like us. like who knows hundreds cause the galaxy never ends. There could be more then 1. Its like that show sliders. They might have cure for stuff we don't there whole history is different. Kind of a interesting thought if you think about it. I bet 100% that we have another living earth somewhere in space a lot of them we just have to get the technology to find them... What you guys think?

PS: As of now no one knows where they go. but lots of people say there is something waiting either if its bad or good. I Guess there so many theories on this that some questions just an not be answered. I leave the rest to you guys and your believes but no ones knows anything about this. I don't think you should fallow a book about what to do. Like they say you only live once don't forget it and enjoy life. If something's waiting for you in the afterlife then let it be who knows if its good or bad. You past your own judgment with your own responsibilities.

[Gonefission]

[Raver758]

Hahaha dude ur so fucking funny wait haha lmao hahahahaha did you think of that urself?

[AkumAPRIME]

I thought it was funny.

Raver- I agree that there are alternate timelines, and that in those alternate dimensions there are other earths, but not in this space/time. Als, the galaxy does end, it's the universe you're thinking of that has no end. There may be other planets like earth in the universe, probably are, but not the exact same like in a branching dimensional paradigm.

The problem is that once you goto another dimension ( and this is all total theoretical nonsense, but so is this ehole thread ) you can NEVER get back to your own. For every action you do or don't take, another dimension is created. But you have to figure that it's not just your action, it's your actions along with every other universal variable. So every nanosecond, Terra Giga Mega Billions of Trillions of alternate dimensions are branching off of "ours". Also, if you try to go back or forth in time, you must enter an alternate dimension, or you'd create a paradox. The latter theory was hypothesized by Hawking, but at that pont it's not physics, it's philosophy.

Anyway, don't want any dogs to die, so byebye, ..orr is it cuz im scared of the extemely logical and rational thinking thats been goin on here ? right..

ehb

[Novahux]

OK, Just let the dog go.
or the XS  crack* squad will take you down.

*ninja butt sniffing dogs"

[AkumAPRIME]

Argh I Don't have enough self control to stay away from this lunacy. Bad AkumA, bad. If you're taking a psych class, ask your teacher about any of the MANY well documented twin studies. Ill look for a link FOR you, since I guess I need to hand you everything. Let me look...

http://www.personali...rch.org/bg.html

There, it states explicitly, with methodolgy and references, so you can't claim a bunk study without tell us all why it's bunk, that shared environments are damn near unimportant. Of course just google twinstudies, personality, and you'll see a  hundred other studies like this.

PS, if you're psych book sdoesn't talk about twin studies, you should evaluate the book and class. These studies are an invaluable psych tool, and for it to be absent is a little strange. At which college are you taking this class anyway?

ehb