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[phantazma1]

 

i don't agree with her, but she was damn cute. and drunk. haha

[Achtung]

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QUOTE  http://www.hcc4u.net/union.wmv I dont know how this got missed before but this is pure brilliance courtesy of AdmStng  well surprise, surprise - Achtung yet again avoids acknowledging anything contradictory to his banal idiocy by providing this sort of nonsense. As Mage also pointed out, QUOTE  And the reason you cant count on American product is because americans cant build shit and your country would completly die if that ever happened.  This is truly a qualified judge of 'pure brilliance'

If you could read, you would of read that I gave up trying to talk sence to someone that clearly has none. And as for that quote you keep going back to if you would actually read the whole thing I was responing too which you never actually do you'd see what I was referring too.  And take a long look at who manufacters Xbox or any so called american product just because it says made in the USA on it doesnt mean thats who design it or manufacter it.

[Mage]

QUOTE (Mage @ Mar 8 2003, 01:06 PM)

I'm not going to bother talking about the american bashing much; waste of time. However that was one statement that I found fairly funny. QUOTE And the reason you cant count on American product is because americans cant build shit and your country would completly die if that ever happened. Oddly enough, the xbox is what?  A product made by whom? Oh yeah, an American company...I'm not going to bother trying to understand the second part of the sentence, I speak English, not engrish.

I said American company, not product.  It matters not where it was made, but what company made it.  If an American company's fabrication site is located in China, does that make it a Chinese product?  I'd think not.

[Lizard_King]

QUOTE (Wong Hung Lo @ Mar 8 2003, 05:38 PM)

I think that China can take care of their next door neighbor. They don't like the problem with N. Korea just like the rest of the world.

Yes, they do.  In fact, while it is difficult to find a real controlling factor over a personality like Kim v2, there is little doubt that the Chinese exercise not only a political veto but a supply side one.  That's where all the weapons come from these days in that sad, sad country.  

The Chicoms are playing their favourite game right now, which is essentially to allow a proxy to run amuck and present itself as the Last Great Hope For Mediation.  Of course, North Korea is run by the kind of dictator that is very difficult to control due to his irrationality (Just like his father), and they seriously underestimate how far the Japanese will go if pressured.  I don't know what their endgame is, but unless it is to leverage themselves into an advantageous position for military action it just doesn't make sense. I don't think they want that any more than America does, but I do think that they are trying to push the US into folding its tent up in that part of the world.  

hodr

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I know this is the general discussion forum, but I think it is somewhat inappropriate to have a political discussion in a forum that is, for the most part, populated by people who gain most of their political knowledge from telivision and video games (myself included).

I think there is a great deal of truth in what you say, Hodr.  I would substitute the words "useless" and "frustrating" for inappropriate, myself, but I think we are on the same page.

meltdown

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Personally I think the US should become insular again like we were just before WW-II. Raise tarrifs on imported goods so companies will go back to using American workers and products made in America, start pumping oil from our own lands again and tell the UM bugger off we're out of the whole world picture. Then we'll just wait and let Saddam and Korea nuke a couple of other countries before we think about stepping in and THEN we'll ONLY step in when we are asked to. Simple solution to the whole deal just start ignoring everything else outside ourselves. That will make for a better world.

I understand where you are coming from, and I even agree with some of your foundational premises.  However:
1. The time for America to choose isolationism rationally was in WWI, before Woodrow Wilson and his henchmen steered us into a war where there was no moral or any other real argument in favour of either side.  It's a really long discussion from there, but basically I think America had better be willing to get its hands dirty and plan for the long haul.  We've been in it up to our necks ever since the filthy propaganda of the Lusitania, although some would certainly see the Spanish American "war" as a more fundamental precursor.  21st century politics, absent any balances of power, are full of vaccuums for the rationally challenged rogue leaders of the world to fill; an engaged America is the only check, imperfect as it may be.  Ultimately, playing ostrich will only result in a kick in the ass like 9/11 rather than a head on confrontation.  I'll take the latter any day.

2.  Tariffs will not solve anything.  They are negotiating tools for trade agreements, and nothing else.  Impoverishing consumers and creating even more corporate welfare is a surefire plan to destroy the engine of the American economy.  

3.  Unfortunately, we do not have the luxury of residing in a separate planet from nations whose actions are intolerable on a human and a political level.  We fight them on their home turf, or they will come to ours.  


On a side note, upon reexamination I realize I went a bit too far in mocking Canada the country to prove my point indirectly about what it's like to see the country that you loved demonized on this board.  I'm sorry, and I won't do it again, at least until another Canadian/Frenchman/etc launches a thread on how much they hate America.

jasonmvt and mage  I agree, I think, although it is difficult to be clear in this particularly muddled medium.

Personally, I think a small part of the tension here has to do with Xbox's lackluster (or just plain lacking) releases in the past month or so.  I caught myself preordering three more yet to be released xbox games, and suddenly realized that for the prices, I might as well get a PS2 and hook up my old Dreamcast and beat all those games I never had the patience to slog through...I find xbox-scene a lot less stressful...I think there's a link, and I suggest you all give it a try.  And for those of you that really hate me, I suggest you send a thank you note to Namco for making Xenosaga..."It keeps Lizard off the boards"...

[Lizard_King]

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QUOTE (Mage @ Mar 9 2003, 12:30 AM) Oddly enough, the xbox is what?  A product made by whom? Oh yeah, an American company...I'm not going to bother trying to understand the second part of the sentence, I speak English, not engrish. I said American company, not product.  It matters not where it was made, but what company made it.  If an American company's fabrication site is located in China, does that make it a Chinese product?  I'd think not.

In fact, mage, that makes it Yet Another Example of the American Capitalist Pig Imperialist exploiting the third world so he can afford the alimony payments his inevitably broken American dream.  

And I'll have you know that only Asians speak Ingrish; in fact, what you are dealing with here is a dialect of Canuckistani.


Jeez, mage, how many times does it have to be repeated:

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achtungIf you could read, you would of read that I gave up trying to talk sence to someone that clearly has none.

Don't you see...this has all been a terrible misunderstanding...it turns out they were arguing for some foreign Canadian concept of "making sence" whereas you and the others were actually concerned with making sense.  It's all clear now...

[Mage]

Yeah, when I was in Japan, I heard much Engrish.  I came home speaking a little bit of it...and talking slow since no one really spoke English, had just been speaking Japanese 90% of the time.

[jasonmvt]

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And as for that quote you keep going back to if you would actually read the whole thing I was responing too which you never actually do you'd see what I was referring too

once again, your arguments would carry much more weight if the were coherent and understandable.  If French is your primary language, all excuses allowed.  If not, like I suspect, I recommend some remedial work, perhaps summer school?

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And take a long look at who manufacters Xbox or any so called american product just because it says made in the USA on it doesnt mean thats who design it or manufacter it.

actually the point was that the Xbox was a product of american origin, or, the culture which you despise, which it is.

I'll put this in terms you can hopefully understand.  You are an idiot.  You cannot refute one single argument.  You cannot support one of your misguided ideas.  You cannot read, extract, and respond to one point anyone here makes.  Maybe when you turn 15, your ideals and values will closer resemble reality.  Maybe you need to stop acquiring your insight from the bitter elderly in your inbred family.  Until then, just leave politics to the adults.

Lizard, did you catch the faked moon landing post a page or two back?

[Lizard_King]

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Lizard, did you catch the faked moon landing post a page or two back?

I just saw it, now that is some funny shit.  I like how they inserted that oddly disturbing "laughing Bush" sequence...I'll vote for him again for sure,but damned if he isn't one strange looking man.

[jasonmvt]

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Dammit, jason I've told you before, be up front about what your opinions are. Tell us what you really think of this guy....

it's the only way left to make it sink in.

[Mage]

I bet half these people who bitch about America rush out and spend their opinion, eg money, on American products.

[Lizard_King]

QUOTE (Mage @ Mar 9 2003, 02:17 AM)

I bet half these people who bitch about America rush out and spend their opinion, eg money, on American products.

I would say *all* of these people, else they would not be on the internet.  But I think Anti-Americanism is just the flavour of the day for leftism....it's actually good because all the froot loops feel free to come out from under their rocks and get all that poison out of their system verbally before they burst an artery from blaming others for their flaws....soon they'll go back to hugging trees.

I think of it as the same sort of shallow irony in Communists working "within" the system to overthrow it...

[Mage]

I'm hoping after the whole Iraq issue the trendy-state of it dies down.  Or hopefully before then, I mean who wants to see countless 'America j00 sux', 'Bush = p00p head r0fl' type threads.  I, for one, don't.

(And before anyone comments on my thread titles, yes, they were meant to be hyperboles.)

[Lizard_King]

Being wrong never goes out of style.   And with all the good America will be doing in the next decade or so the leftists will have to work overtime to feed the sheeple the America-hating lies it has grown to love (you know, like the Brits have their royal family tabloids).

[pjclark1]

My Xbox has made in china written on it.

OK so some of my posts were a little too difficult for some of you to answer. Here is an easy one.

Name 5 good things America has done for the world?
(good can't involve killing people or otherwise breaking the 10 commandments)

[Mage]

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My Xbox has made in china written on it.

You're a smart person, correct?  You should understand the idea that the location a product is mass-produced isn't always the location it was designed.  The company that designed the xbox is an American company, therefore the product itself is an American product.  Not such a hard concept correct?

So, how's that computer of yours?  Enjoy your ix86-class system? Yep, IA32 (ix86) was designed by an American company.  MS also.  Oh, and if you don't have an IA32 class system, there's always Motorola which makes the Apple chips, both being American companies.
Many a great scientist have come from America.  Linus Pauling to name one.
Henry Ford
American car manufacturer, Henry Ford (1863-1947) invented an improved assembly line and installed the first conveyor belt-based assembly line in his car factory in Ford's Highland Park, Michigan plant, around 1913-14. The assembly line reduced production costs for cars by reducing assembly time. Ford's famous Model T was assembled in ninety-three minutes. Ford made his first car, called the "Quadricycle," in June, 1896. However, success came after he formed the Ford Motor Company in 1903. This was the third car manufacturing company formed to produce the cars he designed. He introduced the Model T in 1908 and it was a success. After installing the  moving assembly lines in his factory in 1913, Ford became the world's biggest car manufacturer. By 1927, 15 million Model Ts had been manufactured.

Can we feel the love?  Countless Americans and American companies that have contributed to the world far more than you have.  You want more?