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[jasonmvt]

If it had come to a large scale confrontation with the Soviets, don't be so certain nuclear weapons would have been ruled out.  After all, they were the reason we managed to stockpile so many in the first place, and vice versa.  We have been at the brink of nuclear war in the past, even after modern warfare conventions had been agreed upon.

Never in a million years do I want you to think that I enjoy war, or that the loss of human life is to be taken lightly just because I support the use of force with Iraq.  These difficult decisions are based on what  threats the future holds.  The idea is to prevent a greater amount of deaths down the road.  The world will be better off without Saddam in it.  Given free reign, do you really think that he would not develop nuclear weapons and not hesitate to use them when he had the chance (either in the Mid-East or elsewhere)?  If just one nuclear weapon were to be detonated in a populated area, it would geometrically outnumber the amount of lives lost in the last conflict with Iraq and however many future battles with them may produce.  What do you think the world would be like, if he say, had a hundred.  The chemical weapons he produces and stockpiles will also more likely bring death to his own people faster than another conflict will.  With no restrictions on Saddam, Iraq would become even more of a terrorist conduit, where known terror organizations are aided, with Iraq maintaining deniability, and making his mass destruction weapons available.  If we do not finish this situation, once and for all, it sends Iraq the message that they have won, and greenlights their covert weapon production.

It seems to me that you approach this situation from the viewpoint of 'why don't we just live and let live?'  And that isn't such a bad thing.  Iraq, however, has never and will never see it that way.  One simply cannot sit by idle, while people of this nature are allowed to develop a first-strike offense, because once they have it, they will use it.

[Roy2001]

Stupid Bush never talk about economic since Enron scandel. Iraq will threat to Kwait or Saudi, but even Bush himself won't think Iraq will really threat US since Gulf War. Damn it, why elect this stupid guy.

[piscian18]

i lost two jobs each with consecutively lower wages ,

my bills,everything from utils to gas has skyrocketed,

i lost my trust fund to the stocks crash

its now very important to be afraid of everyone not white
(white terrorist ?no way!...oklahoma cough*kkk cough cough

there are no stores just superstores with superprices

genicide currently being commited by israel (check the non usa news groups,come on they cant all be crazy )

but its its very important to bomb the crap out of iraq who ummmm
oh yeah purchase weapon technology from us via 3rd party distributers

well whatever wave a flag live in a box usa! usa!
its so funny i could cry

[Dark Schneider]

Actually it's neither Iraq nor N. Korea that the U.S. should be paying more attention to as a threat to their status. They should be spending more time on the millions of illegals within the country that are slowly erroding the already overtaxed welfare/medical systems. Not to mention the rather quiet, but large invasion force of Mexican nationals that breach the "security" of the borders every day 24/7. When the U.S. has tackled this, among many other problems itself has within it's borders, than maybe it can start telling people what's best for their country.

As for Saddam, let's admit this now. He was a puppet that got out of hand, and now they want to erase him. Besides the Oil reserves that we know deep down are the real reasons behind all of this. Not to mention that if Iraq is defeated in a military conflict, it will become the "property" of those that conquer it. With something you own, you can establish bases of operation that cannot be told to leave, nor refused to be used when and where you want to.

[jasonmvt]

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i lost two jobs each with consecutively lower wages , my bills,everything from utils to gas has skyrocketed, i lost my trust fund to the stocks crash

So let me get this straight,

not one person lost a job when Clinton was president?
the severity of the winter couldn't have anything to do with your utilities?
someone told you it was a good idea to place a trust fund in volitile stocks?

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there are no stores just superstores with superprices

This hurts you how?

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its so funny i could cry

good, wallow in the bog of self pity becuase it is always someone else's fault when you fail isn't it?

[isoMonger]

QUOTE (Skunky @ Mar 6 2003, 10:40 PM)

totally agree....  Bush has a wild hair up his ass for sadam..  since his father couldn't get the job done in the first place....  Look what these republican presidents do when in office. start wars even without the UN permission...kill the economy...etc...  can't wait tell 2006 to get a new prez...

NO WHERE in the constitution does it say the U.S. needs permission from the UN to star a war with another country,  I wish i would've gotten in this arguement earlier.  I'm registered for the draft, not fearing it, but i don't think i'm prime draft material seeings how i'm only 18.  I don't hate our government, kinda at an understanding with it, that we definately don't like each other, i hate taxes, damn. err .....anyways,  i think even though we pay for rebiulding these countries after we rip them apart, i think the citizens of those countries are the real losers in it all.  I don't really know what its like having trouble finding a meal.  I also think if we don't go to war and take care of some problems over there, things aren't gonna get any better.  We shouldn't ignore them, but we shouldn't also keep providing aid (like food and shit) for indefinite.  South Korea torques me though, i mean i kinda understand there motive of hating us for even thinkin about taken care of n korea because we are a bigger country just tryin to push them around etc etc, but i wish i knew it was a bigger motive than that

[Lizard_King]

QUOTE (piscian18 @ Mar 10 2003, 05:09 AM)

hi [sob story] well whatever wave a flag live in a box usa! usa! its so funny i could cry

No, no, I think I'll stick to just laughing, and leave the crying for things that make me sad.  Honestly, if you what you stay is true, it is far more tragic that you blame BUsh for your problems rather than just yourself and circumstance.  I don't see how the tax rebate could have possibly hurt you.  In any case, we won't see the results of Bush's economic plans until at least 5-10 years, just as with Reagan (aside from rearmament) the real impact was not seen until a certain slimeball was in office or thereabouts.

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The last part, about the moon landing fellow, well.... that is just laughable, and anyone who can present such arguments straight faced loses all other credibility in the debate. You had backed him in his previous statements as being a person of intelligence, and my point was to show the error in that judgement.

Who said something about the moon landing?  I must have missed that one.

[boris2]

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NO WHERE in the constitution does it say the U.S. needs permission from the UN to star a war with another country, I wish i would've gotten in this arguement earlier. I'm registered for the draft, not fearing it, but i don't think i'm prime draft material seeings how i'm only 18. I don't hate our government, kinda at an understanding with it, that we definately don't like each other, i hate taxes, damn. err  .....anyways, i think even though we pay for rebiulding these countries after we rip them apart, i think the citizens of those countries are the real losers in it all. I don't really know what its like having trouble finding a meal. I also think if we don't go to war and take care of some problems over there, things aren't gonna get any better. We shouldn't ignore them, but we shouldn't also keep providing aid (like food and shit) for indefinite. South Korea torques me though, i mean i kinda understand there motive of hating us for even thinkin about taken care of n korea because we are a bigger country just tryin to push them around etc etc, but i wish i knew it was a bigger motive than that

Of course not, dumbass,
but the US has signed the UN charter, so you would be breaking International law.. which is a terrible thing for long-term peace

[isoMonger]

yeah, bad thing, they'd get over it though.  Most people in Japan are over the whole bomb thing.  Shit happens, stop being a pussy and caring about what other countries think all the time.  Shit needs to be done.

hah,
           that's just paper work.
                                               -jackass

[Lizard_King]

QUOTE (boris2 @ Mar 10 2003, 06:14 AM)

Of course not, dumbass, but the US has signed the UN charter, so you would be breaking International law.. which is a terrible thing for long-term peace

How would enforcing several standing UN resolutions be a violation of international law?  Because members of the security council refuse to do their jobs suddenly the world ought to go into paralysis, at the mercy of ever tyrant around?   I don't think so.

[jasonmvt]

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Who said something about the moon landing? I must have missed that one.

pjclark1- on about page 5...

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jason the next thing you'll be saying is that America really did put man on the moon....when we all know it was a hoax. oh and I can't see where you made any sort of sensible reply to either Achtung or myself. Unless you consider a sensible reply to be an insult.

[Al_Ghazi]

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How would enforcing several standing UN resolutions be a violation of international law? Because members of the security council refuse to do their jobs suddenly the world ought to go into paralysis, at the mercy of ever tyrant around? I don't think so.

Sounds good to me - lets enforce the outstanding security council resolution on that rouge state Israel then?  Yes?  Israel has a secret nuclear arms project, a secret chemical weapons project, is in violation of several Security Council resolutions and is in violation of everything and anything that even resembles western morality.  

What is more Israel is at present asking for $40 Billion in additional aid this year from the US...  I think George Bush should give up the prayer meetings and don a yamaka and just ask Israel to fuck each and every American up the ass.

Just a thought….

[Al_Ghazi]

I am still waiting for some new games... Is Dea to Rights even worth renting from blockbuster?

Gaz.

[jasonmvt]

[Al_Ghazi]