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[italianiceag]

QUOTE(rasstar @ Apr 26 2006, 07:07 PM)

Are you people missing something? You need the original disk for this to work so what is the point?

Well, as others have pointed out, it serves numerous purposes:
1.) proof of concept (released)
2.) able to actualy backup your games with no modifications to aything but the dvd tray.
3.) ability to play on xbl with a backup.
4.) valueable for x360
5.) simply put, you think because you have to maek your own iso and patch it that you won't be able to find prehacked images available? wtf is wrong with you?

QUOTE(frOOt lOOps @ Apr 26 2006, 07:30 PM)

perhaps a location to this file? it is not in the usual places havent seen it on any of the big torrent sites either.

I already gave the name of the file, it should be sufficent enough to find it. You don't need to be spoon fed everything, your not a child (hopefully).

QUOTE(feflicker @ Apr 26 2006, 07:31 PM)

5) You are ruining live wah wah wah: Who cares, get over it. This does not enable cheating, it just enables people who haven't paid for a game to potentially play it on live. WHO CARES.

I wouldn't consider it impossible to cheat. You don't have to modify checksumed files to cheat. Right now it's not possible, but does that make it impossible? Nah.

But a good thing about XBL is that it's not free. Even if you play the backups on it, you'll have to pay for your subscription, so I doubt we see massive numbers of people joining. Hell, even if it was free, I doublt most people are smart enough to do this, so it probably wouldn't affect it much at all.

[SniperKilla]

QUOTE(Mr Amazing @ Apr 26 2006, 04:32 PM)

Can anyone say how to get a RAW dump of an iso? Or can we not discuss that here?

I read about the xbox tool that puts them in 4gb chunks but is there anything simpler?

get an original dvd movie, thats atleast 8GB in size, stick it in your existing pc dvd drive, open WxRipper, click hotswap, stop drive, use the emergency eject hole to pop the tray out, put in your xbox game, put the tray back in, click hotswap, start drive.. close wxripper..

open isobuster 1.9, go to the settings and change both read retrys to 1, then right click on the DVD icon in the file tree, hit create image, pick the top option, should be the only you can pick.. save the image somewhere, at about 7% the copy will crap out for a minute, then ask you how to handle bad sectors, pick make dummy data, click never show this again, and hit the selection button

leave it go, it will take a couple hours, it will hit about 8 more sections of bad sectors, where the program will seem to hang and the drive will make crazy laser sounds, this is fine, let it go..

there ya go, a full raw dump..

[SniperKilla]

QUOTE(frOOt lOOps @ Apr 26 2006, 05:12 PM)

Well i used to have a modded ps2 so i know. what happens is they wont ban your ps2 for playing bruned games. but it is a simple process. if you try and sign into ps2 online with a backup it chesk the DNAS data and doesnt allow you on. If it is a real disc you can play. I would assume eveyr disc has a security sector on it. so once micorosft notices the same disc (by security or id) they will know that is a pirated disc and not allow that disc on live. this is what they should do. cause if they ban xbox 360's people will just buy another one and they are gonna lose money.

its not unique data like the DNAS id on ps2 games is...

every game has its own unique SS, but not every copy of that game

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QUOTE(frOOt lOOps @ Apr 26 2006, 10:12 PM)

also where can this file be found. snd have any of you bothered to search into how ps2 deals with bunred games on their shitty live service?

Yes, I have, and DNAS is a far different ballgame than anything that XBL authenticates with.

Oh, and all my burned games for PS2 work online, so what are you talking about? All you do is a patch the image with a valid DNAS id and your good, it can be copied billions of time and ran at the same time and PS2 doesn't do anything.

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what happens is they wont ban your ps2 for playing bruned games. but it is a simple process. if you try and sign into ps2 online with a backup it chesk the DNAS data and doesnt allow you on. If it is a real disc you can play.

What? The ps2 online system doesn't authenticate that your using a "real disc," it authenticates that your PS2 disc has the correct DNAS id on it. That's it.

The reason you can plan online with backups on PS2 is because the PS2 copying procedure is not a 1:1 process, however patching the iso with a legit DNAS id satisfies the requirement for ps2 online even if the copy is not "1:1"

The DNAS id will only return invalid if you don't patch the image. It's fully possible to play backups on the PS2 service, I have and do.
 
XBL has no way of differentiating a backup from a legit copy with this method (as the term 1:1 suggests), so a patching of any type of DNAS id data (an analogy, of course there is none on an Xbox disc) isn't needed as the XBL system already thinks a backup is real.

[peter_kay]

Hey guys, nice work commodore,  Just a quick question if i may ask

If i use this hack, Would i still be able to use the drive for anything i do now, like playing all myother backups with the bios enabled.
Can i still play my avi discs in xbmc?

Once the drive is reflashed, is playing special backups the only thing that the drive is usefull for anymore?

Sorry if this is worded wrong

[gehx]

QUOTE(frOOt lOOps @ Apr 26 2006, 05:12 PM)

..................also where can this file be found.

Man, read my comment above.  I practically spelled it out for you.

sdg605bv2

[frOOt lOOps]

okay i wasnt trying to be smart, it is could this has been pointed out. so i am guessing MS is going to be able to detct when alot of people are using a disc witht he same security sector and ban the unique ID of that security disc. then they could blacklist that security sector as being pirated. that would be good so you would still have to play to pay on live.

[italianiceag]

QUOTE(gehx @ Apr 26 2006, 10:38 PM)

Man, read my comment above.  I practically spelled it out for you.

sdg605bv2

thanks for taking credit for my notation

see post #15.

[Rustmonkey]

Ok, I know I gave people crap about reading, but I can't seem to get the SS off of the game I've made an image of - how the heck do I send the debug command to the drive???  A nice walkthrough would be nice - been reading up on debug stuff but I feel like a dope -

Anyways, some help would be appreciated - if not, well, it was worth a shot

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QUOTE(frOOt lOOps @ Apr 26 2006, 10:38 PM)

okay i wasnt trying to be smart, it is could this has been pointed out. so i am guessing MS is going to be able to detct when alot of people are using a disc witht he same security sector and ban the unique ID of that security disc. then they could blacklist that security sector as being pirated. that would be good so you would still have to play to pay on live.

that'd be a bad idea.

as others have noted how the security sector works, it is possible that legit owners could end up banned, that would of course lead to pesky things like lawsuits, and jsut overall annoyance with the company.

think about it, your smart ass brother comes over and copies your halo 2 while your in the shower, not thinking anything of it -- he gives it to a few friends, xbl bans those people...and you in the process. do you not get pissed?

also, blockbuster would be crying a storm as well.

I'm actually quite interested to see how MS handles this, becuase Sony has essentially IGNORED it. if you have ea valid id and there are hundreds of the same exact id on, they do NOT ban it. id's posted online work fine for me, you would have to think those would be the first ones banned, but they arent.

[italianiceag]

QUOTE(darren_JJ @ Apr 26 2006, 10:46 PM)

MS is going to detect the hack, going to ban you from xbox live and going to throw that commodore dude in prison, where he belongs  

Approx age: 12
*margin of error +/- 2 years

Am I right?

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QUOTE(darren_JJ @ Apr 26 2006, 10:53 PM)

This commodore morron is destroying xbox live, all sorts of mods will appear, gaming industry will lose money, MS will lose money and MS won't like that   MS will put Commodore in jail where he can stay for the rest of his pityful life !!!

I'm done with you after this, but:

1.) He's certainly not a moron if he could engineer this hack. Whether or not you disagree with the moral implications of it, it takes a talented person to pull this off.

2.) You spelt moron incorrectly.

3.) Let's see what implications this has on XBL. Let's see if even 1/100,000th of the XBL crowd even knows about this much less can do it (when the 360 hack is available).

4.) Why is he going to jail? You do not know anything about his location: if he has adequately spoofed information, or if he simply lives somewhere where it is legal to modify copyright. If he lives in the U.S. and was stupid enough not to spoof his IP information then he will certainly see legal action...depending on his age, a variety of things could happen. I doubt he ends up with jail time though.

[Mega_mil]

QUOTE(dmitri @ Apr 26 2006, 07:11 PM)

I think you might be missing the point..  You'd probably do this to play on LIVE..

How many Xbox live games are there?  50?

50x50 = $2,500
50x5   = $250
That's probably why you'd do it..  

-dp

I still wouldn't use it.  I already have a chip and I like having the option to easily play with games and homebrew.  You might as well softmod.  Also it's not that inticing to me since I do not play any xbox 1 games on live, Only my 360 games and I'm not risking getting banned just to use a hack that will work until M$ figures a way to patch it.  So congrats to Com for the hard work but I'll wait to see the outcome.

[feflicker]

Some of these people are a little dramatic. Xbox Live will not be ruined. There are still plenty of ways MS$ can detect if you have modified game content, and ban you for that. It was just EASIER for MS$ to ban anyone on live with a modified BIOS to prevent the cheating... Now they just have to check the texture files, character maps, etc (checksums) or whatever. It doesn't matter if they are signed or not. MS$ can detect if they have been changed. CALM DOWN lol...



One more thing: I think it is absolutely incredible that this hack was just released, this long after launch. You would think the DVD Drive security would be the first thing attacked... I guess the history of modding for the Xbox has to do with it (other hacks just happened to come first, making people focus attention elsewhere). Don't be pissed at the hackers for this, be pissed at MS$ for using standard PC parts and expecting to make a secure system  

[chilin_dude]

QUOTE(DWells55 @ Apr 26 2006, 08:42 PM)

I have contacted Bungie regarding the release of this hack, and hopefully they will be able to do something to protect the integrity of the Live service in Halo 2 (or what's left of it).

SOMEBODY GIVE HIM THE INTERNET SHERIFF AWARD.