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[GuntherMP5]

QUOTE(throwingks @ Dec 28 2006, 11:21 AM)

This isn't xbox-scene anymore. It is scenyx, and scenyx deals with homebrew and backups for all types of media. This would potentially enhance the Xbox360 w/HD-DVD add-on and the PS3. There is even a section for MSNTV2.

OK I stand corrected on that issue, another forum but it still says Xbox Scene of my screen.
MY point is really that they still seem to be as strict and why make headaches for the moderators and possibly get banned ( granted people asking for stuff they shouldn't here), when they can go elsewhere, where they can Download the program and where they can discuss it Freely without risk of reprisal.

[Justincredibal]

This is a little off topic but this spurred a thought.

I wonder if this would work with PS3 games. And if it does, and BDD/HD-DVD are supposedly impossible to backup, how much effort did Sony put into not allowing backups to be played on the PS3.


Ofcourse the setup you would need right now would not be worth it to have an extra copy of your game. If your game was scratched so bad, you could buy 5 to replace it for the price of a burner. Hell the only BDD burner I have heard of is 1k.

Neat none the less.

[GuntherMP5]

QUOTE(rasstar @ Dec 28 2006, 11:23 AM)

Did it work for you as I have not read a single post confirming that it works.

I am still looking for the other part of the puzzle. It won't work without that.
Keep checking back with engadget for updates. They seem to be working with it to try to say one way or another.

[youloseagain]

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Thats awesome!

Cop Protection is a facade in todays world, I dont know why the industry just embrace it and work with the communities on making a BETTER PRODUCT for everybody..

We as consumers are just too damn smart these days


good news, i like to backup my games, movies, and content, This is a good step towards electric/content domination.

As do I. I don't do it often but its good to protect your investment. My friend had a brilliant system worked out for audio cds he would make backups of cds he bought, put the originals away safe in a case, and use the backups till they died then make new backups from the originals and use those etc.

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That's a far too simplistic way of looking at it. If such protection schemes actually succeeded in stopping piracy I might see the point in implementing them but they never do.These protection schemes end up doing nothing to stop the ultimate goal, eliminating piracy, and only end up hurting the consumer. I won't go into the numerous, well documented examples of how DRM affects the consumer but like I stated earlier, google is your friend.

One of the things all copy protection seems to do as history goes on is make it harder to find originals of media. All media is culture. Thus important media should be saved both on a national and personal level. Try to find copies of movies from the 50s 60s 70s and even 80s or tv shows or music. As time goes on things get lost. Copies insure less stuff gets lost.

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I fully understand the need to protect they're product, but hampering it to the point where it effects the user who legally purchased it is bullshit. That's what I hate about DRM. They can't simply place no protection on it at all, but they must realize that no matter what they come up with it will be hacked. What needs to be done is come up with a away to protect the content so that it does not frustrate the poor sap who buys it.

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I agree piracy sucks but what about fair use rights? I have ripped and converted dozens of DVDs for use with XBMC, my PSP, and my Play-Yan Micro (GameBoy video adapter). I don't see the Film companies offering unDRMed content that can be played on anything. Until they do that I will be using these "piracy" tools so that I can watch my movies when I want how I want. I paid for a copy and a licence to view the film when I purchased the DVD, I should not have to buy it again from Vongo or iTunes.

Very true once you purchase a piece of media you should be able to play it on any device or pc you own.

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It's a good thing you don't work in software development. Would you work for free? I don't think so but developers should and everyone should be able to copy their work without any form of protection. A cd key is needed to activate software and that's DRM and PC games needs the oirginal Cd to play is also DRM. The xbox 360 games cannot be read on the PC and even that is DRM.

Look at the open source community alot of that is driven by passion not money. Firefox was the browser the caused MS to fix and improve Internet Explorer. It was started by the non profit Mozilla foundation. So yes people do work for free alot of people and, in fact, they make alot of better software than proprietary products. Xbox Media Center is open source. As I sit and type this Im on pc running an operating system directly off a cd "knoppix linux live" with X windows and firefox. So in summary your argument is flawed the more people who contribute to code or developement the better and alot of those people will work for free.


Quick Edit: To add reason we have decss is becuase dvd john wanted dvds to play under linux. They weren't suppourted it seems this guy had similar intentions.

http://forum.doom9.o...2059#post922059

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The Saga of decrypting an AACS protected movie, by Muslix64.

December 6:

I just bought a HD-DVD drive to plug on my PC, and a HD movie, cool! But when I realized the 2 software
players on windows don't allowed me to play the movie at all, because my video card is not HDCP compliant and because I
have a HD monitor plugged with DVI interface, I started to get mad... This is not what we can call "fair use"! So I
decide to decrypt that movie. I start reading the AACS specification I have found on the net. I estimate it will take
me about 4 weeks of full time job to decrypt that. I was wrong, it was in fact, easy...

BTW, when I disable my HD monitor, I can watch the movie,on my old VGA screen, but, what is the point of having
a HD monitor and not being able to watch a HD movie on it!

December 7 to December 12:

Nothing, I try many things, but I'm going nowhere. I change my technique

December 13:

Now I focus only on title key. I was very surprise to realize that the title key is there, in memory! Can it be
that easy? Around 7PM, I decrypt my first movie "pack". Around 11PM, I have now a totally decrypted movie! But there is
a problem. Frame skipping.

December 14:

After many tests, I found a field in the Nav pack, that fix the frame skipping problem.
Wow! Now I can watch a smooth playback of an HDDVD film that I have decrypted!
After only 8 days of work, I was able to decrypt an HD-DVD movie! What's the problem? There is a major
security problem somewhere.

December 15 and December 16:

I put together a small program called "BackupHDDVD", a java based command line utility to decrypt movies.

December 17:

I made a small video called "AACS is Unbreakable" where you can see the output of the program while decrypting.
You can also see a playback of a decrypted movie.


December 18:

Upload that video on YouTube


December 20:

Upload the program and source code on RapidShare (V0.99)
http://rapidshare.co....HDDVD.zip.html

December 21:

I want to go further in the decryption, so I decide to track down the "Volume unique key" instead of title key.
I found it also! I'm preparing BackupHDDVD V1.00, that will support volume key and title keys.

December 25:

Merry Christmas!

December 26:

I create a thread on the Doom9 forum about BackupHDDVD. People don't believe it...

[HSDEMONZ]

QUOTE(DJTucan @ Dec 28 2006, 11:39 AM)

now someone needs to make a HD DVD decypter program like DVD decypter and we are all set. : )

give people a chance to score that source code he claims he'll release in in a matter of days.. maybe hours.. a primitive DVD decryptor like program will be available.

[Raven2x]

QUOTE(rasstar @ Dec 28 2006, 05:13 PM)

From what i read no one confirmed this to be working. Could it be a hoax?

unlike the console scene, people from doom9.org dont generally create hoaxes....

[0x13h]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaajajajajja!!!!  

nice work!

[rasstar]

QUOTE(appleguru @ Dec 28 2006, 04:30 AM)

Been playing with this for the last few hours (albeit, without my HD DVD stuff, which is back in colorado).. but it looks like you still need a way to get the title key for each movie you want to decrypt (which he most likely got from doing a memory dump of power DVD's memory space while playing an HD DVD movie) in order to make this work.... He is claiming to work on a volume key version however, which would only need one key to decrypt all AACS encrypted HD DVDs.

All that happened was the method Cyberlink to decrypt AACS used was semi-compromised. Their implemention kept the key in memory, a key which is needed to legally decrypt the content protection. What is likely going to happen is that specific key will be revoked, and Cyberlink will have to issue an update in order to play newer titles. CSS didn't have a good way to revoke the keys, AACS does.

Waiting to see what Cyberlink and AACS said happened, but I don't see that AACS was cracked.

[krawhitham]

QUOTE(HSDEMONZ @ Dec 28 2006, 05:56 PM)

give people a chance to score that source code he claims he'll release in in a matter of days.. maybe hours.. a primitive DVD decryptor like program will be available.

He released the video on the 18th and the source code on the 26th (yes 5 days early)

The source code in no way helps find the needed KEYS

[pimmysays]

If only I had the keys, any one have any clue on how to get them?

[krawhitham]

QUOTE(rasstar @ Dec 28 2006, 07:10 PM)

All that happened was the method Cyberlink to decrypt AACS used was semi-compromised. Their implemention kept the key in memory, a key which is needed to legally decrypt the content protection. What is likely going to happen is that specific key will be revoked

He is not using the player KEY, he is using the player to grab the TITLE KEY

If they pull the TITLE KEY that movie will not play on any new HD-DVD players


They could pull all PC player KEYS, that way users would have to download a new version of the PC player that does not put the key into memory the same way.

But at the moment this guy has proved nothing, he never said which PC software he was using so they might be hard press to pull all PC keys.  Hell he has not even proved you can get the keys from memory, he says you can but no one has confirmed this yet.

[Exist2Resist]

Someone needs to work on cracking the BD watermark as well.
Although the AACS has been compromised, not cracked. This will definately change in the future, AACS was designed to be robust in nature and to allow change.
So how ever short lived the victory, still a win for the good guys.

[rasstar]

QUOTE(krawhitham @ Dec 28 2006, 07:22 PM)

He is not using the player KEY, he is using the player to grab the TITLE KEY

If they pull the TITLE KEY that movie will not play on any new HD-DVD players
They could pull all PC player KEYS, that way users would have to download a new version of the PC player that does not put the key into memory the same way.

But at the moment this guy has proved nothing, he never said which PC software he was using so they might be hard press to pull all PC keys.  Hell he has not even proved you can get the keys from memory, he says you can but no one has confirmed this yet.

He used PowerDVD

[mortyblack]

Hollywood boss Andrew G. Setos in tears... while pirates are celebrating worldwide...  

[singingstallion]

Just chiming in...Blu-Ray has another layer of protection that has not been cracked yet. Could this mean that the major studios may jump ship to blu-ray?

Early doom for HD-DVD? just a speculation