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[nwo504]

OMG I've found out  the cure for AIDS but I wont tell anyone because the government will kill me. sorry guys.


 Most people who have pirated xbox games already know about the millions of ways to play backups on xbox and hacking the firmware will still probablay require you to open the xbox so it wouldn't be like dreamcast where you dont have to. Good looking anyways. Maybe some good thing can come out of this.

[Home Less]

I don't understand why a lot of people were saying it would ruin xbox live with hackers. Whatever happend to banning? I've played lots of PC games that were full of hackers until the servers began banning cd keys. For the price we pay for xbox live, I'm sure that m$ could afford to get some admins searching through games and banning people they catch cheating.
If the firmware hack is true, I hope that someone else works on it and releases it anonymously.

[Chancer]

I have skimmed this thread at the moment.
This afternoon I am going through it in detail as I see some disturbing posts.
All the members flaming other members personally expect account restrictions.
Any members advocating. promoting or endorsing piracy in this thread or Halo 2 modding expect to lose your accounts.

[bourke]

QUOTE(RX3 @ Feb 1 2006, 07:02 AM)

Bourke don't sweat it man. This thread is really showing the different maturity levels in this forum. The ones saying The Specialist is a pu&&y, fkr and other insults are more than likely a bunch of whiney spoiled brat kids.

"I want a mod for my Xbox and I want it now! Mommy The Specialist is teasing us."

Thank RX3, it's just not nice to know that intelligent people like yourself and MacDennis etc have to put up with this crap in public ;-)

It's one thing to accuse The Specialist of being soft for not posting his firmware... it's quite another to tell us to do research and prove it works when it's blatently obvious the poster has done no research themselves whatsoever and that there are pages of proof a mere mouse click away LOL!

You wonder why the human race is going down hill... these people should be banned from breeding.

[ncaissie]

QUOTE(flat235 @ Feb 1 2006, 06:54 AM)

Hey,

Just wanted to say props to TheSpecialist for keeping this research in the closet for now - ignore the people telling you you're lying or whatever - anyone who's read the thread on xbh can see that you got it going.

That doesn't prove anything.

[swolsten]

Not read the entire thread so this may of been said before but here my view on all this.

I think people are looking at this hack from the wrong angle.

Take a look at the holes in the original xbox.

RC4 - Key was found, exploit found in RC4 to bypass and allow a bios signed with one key to run on multiple versions

BIOS In TSOP - after RC4 key was found this was decrypted, fudged, hacked, built, modified etc to do all the nice things we like.

Exploits - Allows us to inject unsigned code into running memory and execute our own "apps".

What have they done with the 360?

Bios stored somewhere else, CPU?? who knows.
All hardware is bound to the 360 - 16byte key in DVD firmware may confirm this, not been keeping track.
RC4 not used, AES/SHA1??
Hypervisor to reduce the chance of exploits working.  Even if you can exploit, you only exploit that virtual machine not the entire box.

Now, did they include anything in the bios that would check the firmware on the DVD drive, if not, this is a major step forward for modchip makers, everything they used from the original box has now been taken away. Its now over to them, they made millions from the original, they need to take the risk and make the money on the 360.  Why should someone that has helped out for fun and the challange get screwed.

Personally I couldnt care less about running backups, I have all the games I want for the 360 and I only modded the original for fun.

Well done  to everyone involved from XBH.N,  keep the info flowing and ignore all the tards

S


Not read the entire thread so this may of been said before but here my view on all this.

I think people are looking at this hack from the wrong angle.

Take a look at the holes in the original xbox.

RC4 - Key was found, exploit found in RC4 to bypass and allow a bios signed with one key to run on multiple versions

BIOS In TSOP - after RC4 key was found this was decrypted, fudged, hacked, built, modified etc to do all the nice things we like.

Exploits - Allows us to inject unsigned code into running memory and execute our own "apps".

What have they done with the 360?

Bios stored somewhere else, CPU?? who knows.
All hardware is bound to the 360 - 16byte key in DVD firmware may confirm this, not been keeping track.
RC4 not used, AES/SHA1??
Hypervisor to reduce the chance of exploits working.  Even if you can exploit, you only exploit that virtual machine not the entire box.

Now, did they include anything in the bios that would check the firmware on the DVD drive, if not, this is a major step forward for modchip makers, everything they used from the original box has now been taken away. Its now over to them, they made millions from the original, they need to take the risk and make the money on the 360.  Why should someone that has helped out for fun and the challange get screwed.

Personally I couldnt care less about running backups, I have all the games I want for the 360 and I only modded the original for fun.

Well done  to everyone involved from XBH.N,  keep the info flowing and ignore all the tards

S

[mksoftware]

QUOTE(CrazyCowPie @ Feb 1 2006, 06:09 AM)

...but if you're not releasing anything, how can we benifit from this discovery?  just a thought...

Don't tell us if we can't make use of it, it's just like: I got got something you don't, and you won't get it...

Doesn't make any sense....

[Cookiesrus]

Hi all

After a thorough read through this thread and a quick read through XBH forum i came to the following conclusion.

Although there is TONS of data to back up the claim that the firmware was hacked and a reputable person behind the project, it is in fact nothing more than a claim until it is widely accepted as otherwise.
To look at this another way look at the more absurd side of things, UFO's.  There has been many a claim made by reputable scientists, millitary personell and civillians claiming to have witnessed "flying discs", yet these claims are thrown out as lies or hearsay. On the other hand look at religeon (spelling?), since the start of recorded time people have followed religeon based on nothing more than a book that tells of one man/woman performing miracles such as turning water to wine instantly and walking on water, all of which can not be proven or recreated yet people world wide accept this as fact.

I guess its all down to each person what YOU choose to believe.

On a side note of not releasing due to ethics, if this hack was moddified in a way to function on the X360, wouldnt the very same ethics stop a release of this?
I dont pretend to understand what has gone on over at XBH forums, its WAY above my head, and way above 90% of this forums populations head.
What isnt over my head is a basic understanding of the human need to feel accepted, although it is ENTIRLEY thespecialists choice to withhold or release his software onto the wild, i bet there are 100's if not 1000's reading through XBH forums trying to recreate this firmware all it takes is 1 to pull it off and i am willing to bet we will see it floating around in the usual places in a short period of time.  Untill then, no doubt there will be people posting "fake" firmwares that brick your drive, people claiming to have recreated his work and withholding it etc etc.

The xbox scene isnt the only scene i follow, and in the past 6-8 months have been a bad time for all the scenes working homebrew, take PSP for example - the drama that ensued over the iso loader than after that the drama around Yoshiro and the downgraders.  

Me? i take every piece of homebrew as a gift.

As for piracy, call me ignorant but if it wernt for piracy and PS1, videogames would be no where near as widley accepted as they are today, this dosent mean i condone it though.

Anyhoo signing off!


PS, i dont mean to offend or start any kind of religous discussion, just using at as an example.

[ss-virus]

QUOTE

 Re: hacking DVD firmware ?
« Reply #838 on: January 29, 2006, 12:07:24 AM »

Anyway, I did an interesting experiment on the XBOX 1. I bought a GDR8163B drive, flashed it to 8050L and started modding it. I ripped a control data block from Rally sport (yes, succeeded in patching the drive to respond with the full sector contents) and saved it to FW. I created a little mod routine that overwrites the memory where the original control block is loaded from disk (just before it's going to decrypt the responses and stuff like that) with the control block data that was saved to the FW. I then tried to unlock the drive with the unlocker -> it worked perfectly, using the challenge/responses from the FW (so I unlocked 'Amped' with the challenge/responses from 'Rally sport'. Nothing really 'shocking' of course, but it was a confirmation that my 'mod' was working  

I then planted the drive in a 'virgin state' xbox 1 and booted up Amped. It worked like a charm  So amped worked perfectly with the control data block from Rally sport  

Now, next step will be to try to get backups running with this saved control block. The problem is that the routine I patched is only executed if original xbox DVD's are inserted into the drive (the drive probably tries to read the control block from disk, sees it isn't there and then goes unto some other routine). So I have to find the 'higher' routine, that calls this subroutine. Problem is that this is done via tables and it's a real mess to find the original caller, but will be looking into that the next few days  

And there is a reply count on the pages and it’s not even telling if someone is removing a messages and there is 10 messeges deleted from that thread.

[[email protected]]

When i signed up for xbhacker forum i was eager and wanted to see what the hacker comunity had come up with and how they worked together.

Now it seems the moderator is closing down every thread regarding TheSpecialists work and doesnt want to hear more of it, maybe xbhacker.net and TheSpecialist have made an agreement to sell dvd firmware hacks of some sort

For weeks now people have contributed and given of themselves to help out TheSpecialist in achieving his goal, then he suddenly makes a breakthrough and refuses to share the information. Seems pretty fucked up to me......

Anyways, thats my thoughts, i know ill get flamed shitless for it, but i dont care

[jimjom]

THANK YOU FOR NOT RELEASING THIS!! SERIOUSLY!!! Whew!! Don't need any more cheaters on LIVE. Was there a need for this? Sure, it's neat, but not nessicary.

[Lamer123]

Why would you not release this ?? I mean I realize the piracy issue but , come on . This is to big to just keep on your computer man .

[jeremy_24_03]

I just wanted to make a few comments.  To the people that keep saying that people will be cheating on live, how will this open up more cheating on live??  As said before, they CANNOT mod the game and play it this way, it will mess up the signature for the game.  So no it won't cause any more cheating on live.

Second, I just wanted to say it doesnt matter if he releases this or not.  If people really want to pirate games, they can do it one way or another.  The only advantage to this is being able to play backups on live.

I'm hoping that they can hack the 360's FW so I can backup my discs and play.  No I DON'T pirate games and I never will.  I would hate to have my hard work stolen like that.  But my 360 has been scratching up my retail discs and I have had to replace 3 already.  It would be really nice to be able to back them up and play them without having to worry about it.

[T-Snipez]

~Evening

It appears as if they are deleting the meat of the technique and hack, I remember looking last night and noticed a post from TheSpecialist commenting on how you use a snippet from so and so's code and then some other comments that I'm not seeing today.  It is highly likely that I am wrong, but it appears as if they are attempting to remove most of their progress and what used to be recommendations concerning the entire process.  I should've downloaded the thread when I could...

T-Snipez

[DoTsTeRX]

that's what the waybackmachine and the google cache are for... etc etc

you can never truly delete info posted on the internet.. it is always somewhere