Topic: Xbox DVD Firmware Hacked *Updated* (Read 1425 times)

ksteiner · « **Reply #180 on:** February 01, 2006, 11:19:00 AM »

I say we start our own thread, and try to hack the firmware.

mksoftware · « **Reply #181 on:** February 01, 2006, 11:27:00 AM »

QUOTE(DoTsTeRX @ Feb 1 2006, 07:17 PM)

that's what the waybackmachine and the google cache are for... etc etc

you can never truly delete info posted on the internet.. it is always somewhere

Let's find it...

There's something strange going on here!

QUOTE(ksteiner @ Feb 1 2006, 07:26 PM)

I say we start our own thread, and try to hack the firmware.

Your damn right! Let's see how the X-S sceners will do this. If one person can, thousands minds thinking together can!

ebolla · « **Reply #182 on:** February 01, 2006, 11:53:00 AM »

QUOTE(jeremy_24_03 @ Feb 1 2006, 11:01 AM)

I just wanted to make a few comments. To the people that keep saying that people will be cheating on live, how will this open up more cheating on live?? As said before, they CANNOT mod the game and play it this way, it will mess up the signature for the game. So no it won't cause any more cheating on live.

Second, I just wanted to say it doesnt matter if he releases this or not. If people really want to pirate games, they can do it one way or another. The only advantage to this is being able to play backups on live.

I'm hoping that they can hack the 360's FW so I can backup my discs and play. No I DON'T pirate games and I never will. I would hate to have my hard work stolen like that. But my 360 has been scratching up my retail discs and I have had to replace 3 already. It would be really nice to be able to back them up and play them without having to worry about it.

If I am not mistaken in regards to people cheating on Halo 2 Bungie said something about they now do a checksum of the maps as they are loaded and if they are modified they will ban the person shortly.

As far as other games I don't know. I can't remember where I saw that about the Halo 2 though or I would provide a link to it.

So yes while you could modifiy the game data (just not the XBE or with the 360 I would assume the XEX) if other companies and/or MS start implementing that on a wide scale like Bungie did then it would get squashed very quickly.

Maertz · « **Reply #183 on:** February 01, 2006, 12:13:00 PM »

im glad they didnt release it we can do enough already. and live is already shitty.

mksoftware · « **Reply #184 on:** February 01, 2006, 12:17:00 PM »

QUOTE(Maertz @ Feb 1 2006, 08:20 PM)

im glad they didnt release it we can do enough already. and live is already shitty.

That's your opinion, propably about 80% wants it!

throwingks · « **Reply #185 on:** February 01, 2006, 12:48:00 PM »

QUOTE(jeremy_24_03 @ Feb 1 2006, 11:01 AM)

I just wanted to make a few comments. To the people that keep saying that people will be cheating on live, how will this open up more cheating on live?? As said before, they CANNOT mod the game and play it this way, it will mess up the signature for the game. So no it won't cause any more cheating on live.

Wrong. Only the XBE is signed not the ini files. Kind of how they changed things in the King Kong demo.

DoTsTeRX · « **Reply #186 on:** February 01, 2006, 12:51:00 PM »

like 4 posts got deleted from this thread in the past hour... nice to know you can't say anything useful here without it getting edited or deleted

like 4 posts got deleted from this thread in the past hour... nice to know you can't say anything useful here without it getting edited or deleted

like 4 posts got deleted from this thread in the past hour... nice to know you can't say anything useful here without it getting edited or deleted

mksoftware · « **Reply #187 on:** February 01, 2006, 01:00:00 PM »

QUOTE(throwingks @ Feb 1 2006, 08:55 PM)

Wrong. Only the XBE is signed not the ini files. Kind of how they changed things in the King Kong demo.

Wrong, they used to put more signatures on the disc, but as you know this Kiosk disc doesn't have them (that's why it loads). So comparing the King Kong demo is quite confusing and wrong information.

jfoster · « **Reply #188 on:** February 01, 2006, 02:33:00 PM »

I'm certain that MS can run diagnostics on every aspect of the 360, including the DVD firmware. If this was released for the 360, MS would also have access to it, and know what to look for, easily banning any machine with the code...not to mention having your IP address.

By NOT releasing this, he and his friends will actually get to benefit from his work for a long time...as opposed to everyone modding their machines at once, just to get banned by MS.

I would like to have this mod as well, but releasing it to the public would simply kill it's longevity.

TheSpecialist · « **Reply #189 on:** February 01, 2006, 02:54:00 PM »

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I didn't intend to comment on any of this until I read this post. None of us really deserve to complain about anything until we, ourselves, have contributed to the xbox community. Doing so makes us hypocrites. And just to clarify what this person is saying... The person who did perform this hack did not announce anything on this website as you claim. It came from a thread on xboxhacker.net and was announced on here by moderators of this website. You also claim this person to be 'ignorant'. Ignorant of what might I ask? Until you or any of us are able to contribute to the community, I suggest we merely thank those who do know what they are doing as none of us do. I would also wish the board moderators to consider closing this topic as it's become quite skewed from it's origination.

I'm glad to see that there are some people with brains left here. I did countless hours of hard work. I presented the scene with a major flaw in xbox/360 security and all *some* people can do is whine about the fact that I don't present it to them on a plate. Let me tell you a little story that might increase your understanding about hackers.

When I was a little boy I sometimes went out fishing with my granddad. He was much better at it than I was. Whenever he catched a fish he'd always throw it back. I just could not understand it and it somehow even frustrated me. Now I understand him. He wasn't interested in eating the fish, it was the fishing *process* he loved so much. It's exactly the same for us hackers. We are interested in security, in finding flaws. Not in 'eating the fish'.

I did a lot of thinking the last 2 days. I now realize that there's more to it. Your work has consequences, whether you like it or not. And I don't like the consequences at all. I think a hack like this is really Pandora's box. How much some of you want it, it will bring more bad things than goods things.

Thanks to all who agree on my decision and respect what I did. I realize now that it's very well possible that there are people out there who don't share my beliefs and want to use the research I did to create a hack for the 360. All I can do is ask you to *really* think about the consequences and whether you are *really* willing to accept them. I hope you will be mature enough to do this.

That's all I have to say and this will be my first and last post in this thread.

TS

mksoftware · « **Reply #190 on:** February 01, 2006, 03:02:00 PM »

QUOTE(TheSpecialist @ Feb 1 2006, 11:01 PM)

I'm glad to see that there are some people with brains left here. I did countless hours of hard work. I presented the scene with a major flaw in xbox/360 security and all people can do is whine about the fact that I don't present it to them on a plate. Let me tell you a little story that might increase your understanding about hackers.

When I was a little boy I sometimes went out fishing with my granddad. He was much better at it than I was. Whenever he catched a fish he'd always throw it back. I just could not understand it and it somehow even frustrated me. Now I understand him. He wasn't interested in eating the fish, it was the fishing *process* he loved so much. It's exactly the same for us hackers. We are interested in security, in finding flaws. Not in 'eating the fish'.

I did a lot of thinking the last 2 days. I now realize that there's more to it. Your work has consequences, whether you like it or not. And I don't like the consequences at all. I think a hack like this is really Pandora's box. How much some of you want it, it will bring more bad things than goods things.

Thanks to all who agree on my decision and respect what I did. I realize now that it's very well possible that there are probably people out there who don't share my beliefs and want to use the research I did to create a hack for the 360. All I can do is ask you to think *really* think about the consequences and if you are *really* willing to accept them. I hope you will be mature enough to do this.

That's all I have to say and this will be my first and last post in this thread.

TS

Creating a mod for the Xbox 360 and selling your hack to a modchip team will let you make money. Of course, I believe your decision. But if you have no intention of releasing this, there is no intention of posting it on the forums, you could have thought about that! I believe your discovery is true, but you shouldn't wrote about it if you won't be releasing it....

It's like: hey, I got my PS3 game running on my Xbox 360, but I won't release it

I really think it's fantastic what you have found, but nobody can really use it, which makes your work useless.

ss-virus · « **Reply #191 on:** February 01, 2006, 03:15:00 PM »

QUOTE(TheSpecialist @ Feb 1 2006, 11:01 PM)

I'm glad to see that there are some people with brains left here. I did countless hours of hard work. I presented the scene with a major flaw in xbox/360 security and all people can do is whine about the fact that I don't present it to them on a plate. Let me tell you a little story that might increase your understanding about hackers.

When I was a little boy I sometimes went out fishing with my granddad. He was much better at it than I was. Whenever he catched a fish he'd always throw it back. I just could not understand it and it somehow even frustrated me. Now I understand him. He wasn't interested in eating the fish, it was the fishing *process* he loved so much. It's exactly the same for us hackers. We are interested in security, in finding flaws. Not in 'eating the fish'.

TS

So why not take that one with snow white or something… with a less BS

whitemagician · « **Reply #192 on:** February 01, 2006, 03:16:00 PM »

I like the fishing story its alot like something that my dad told me back when I used to try and crack cd copy protection and while sure it would be cool to see what you did and how you did it exactly all this will do is cause more problems with live and people pirating these games. This is not like the release of a mod chip because even with a mod chip there are some drawbacks such as not playing on live. With just a simple firmware upgrade this is now something that people can accomplish with little risk and install without much knowledge. I fully support your decision not to release however this will happen sooner or later with or without any groups help there were other people following that thread which with just a little motivation and hard work im sure could figure it out.

Thank you for your efforts and letting us know that it is possible.
William

MacDennis · « **Reply #193 on:** February 01, 2006, 03:34:00 PM »