Topic: French Military History (Read 226 times)

Teralus · « **Reply #15 on:** February 18, 2003, 04:44:00 PM »

QUOTE (Lizard_King @ Feb 18 2003, 01:54 PM)

QUOTE (Teralus @ Feb 18 2003, 11:40 AM)

Ah...your comments in the other posts make a lot more sense now Lizard...you are actually just a racist bastard.

And you are just a self-righteous twit. Even al Ghazi knows a Comedy Thread when he sees one.

My Bad I forgot this was in the comedy section.....We are aloud to be racist wankers in the comedy section!!

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Lizard_King · « **Reply #16 on:** February 18, 2003, 06:22:00 PM »

QUOTE (Raised @ Feb 19 2003, 12:53 AM)

Just a quickie: What was the outcome of the missile crisis?

US: 0, Soviet Union 0: The status quo was effectively returned to, which was all the Americans wanted in the first place. The covert attempt to place missiles in Cuba was no longer a possibility.

As opposed to the Korean War:
Soviet Union 2, China 1, US 1, Korea 0

or the Vietnam War

China 1, US 0, Vietnam 0

But I am interested to see what your view of the Cuban missile crisis is. I've studied it extensively in the context of Soviet history classes, American politics classes, and foreign policy classes.

I have a feeling you're going to bring up the removal of Turkish missiles as a reason for Russian success, and I would disagree, seeing as how the plans for such a move were actually in place before the crisis even began. The fact is that nukes in Turkey was diplomatically and economically wasteful, not to mention obsolete at the moment of installation (as both sides were shifting to multiple warhead nukes) and as we shifted our nuclear strategic paradigm to mobile missile bases on nuclear subs, no longer necessary. In fact, it was a waste of the missile "quota" we'd established with the Soviets. That's why the cretin Bobby Kennedy was able to make that offer to the Russians with a clear conscience.

The other reason often cited for the Cuban Missile Crisis being a Russian success was the removal of the future possibility of an anti-Cuba strike. While certainly true, I would say the Bay of Pigs and Vietnam had a whole lot more to do with that.

At any rate, it is plain that the Soviet higher echelons did not consider it a victory, as it was instrumental in the later removal of Nikita Krushchev as premier.

Anyhow, on the topic, The Washington Post has an interesting discussion on the topic, along with some links.

Raised · « **Reply #17 on:** February 18, 2003, 06:30:00 PM »

I was interested in seing what was the average (by no means an insult) american student's view of this historical episode. I have been told (in my own US history classes) that the missile crisis is often presented as a total american victory over the URSS in history courses in the US, which as you pointed out is false...
So on the topic of propaganda in american schools I just wanted to do a little "test".

Raised · « **Reply #18 on:** February 18, 2003, 08:41:00 PM »

QUOTE (Lizard_King @ Feb 19 2003, 12:12 AM)

That said, I often think that the European (but also just as often Australian, NZ, etc) conception that this is only an American problem is seriously messed up. Their educational systems are at least as skewed as ours, and from all accounts it seems they are wholly unaware of this or (even worse) convinced that what they were taught constitutes the absolute truth. Americans at least have a healthy skepticism of our educational system (as you can see by the booming trend in home schooling and vouchers and all that).

True, but you also have to understand the capital importance of developing a good judgement and the critical sens of american students, since they are to become citizens of the most powerful and influent nation in the world. This planet cannot afford to have it's dominant nation populated by people with no self-awareness and a warrior temperament.

Jesus, I hate myself for what I'm about to do, but i'll quote Spiderman:
"With great powers come great responsabilities."

phantazma1 · « **Reply #19 on:** February 19, 2003, 05:22:00 PM »

Lizard_King · « **Reply #20 on:** February 19, 2003, 07:16:00 PM »

Lizard_King · « **Reply #21 on:** February 19, 2003, 08:58:00 PM »

Yeah, old Harry Pascal was almost as red-white-and-blue as Jimmy "the Samosan" Pythagoras. If I recall correctly, they both lived just outside Pittsburgh.

Raised · « **Reply #22 on:** February 20, 2003, 02:11:00 PM »

Hodr · « **Reply #23 on:** February 20, 2003, 05:13:00 PM »

Commies? Commies have no respect for human life, not even their own.

(Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room.)

Lizard_King · « **Reply #24 on:** February 20, 2003, 08:51:00 PM »

"I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion, and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

"Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed, but I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops, uh, depending on the breaks."

"Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face?"

"I think you're some kind of deviated prevert. And I think General Ripper found out about your preversion and that you were organizing some kind of mutiny of preverts....All I was told to do was get General Ripper on the phone with the President of the United States."

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Mein Fuhrer, I CAN WALK!

phantazma1 · « **Reply #25 on:** February 23, 2003, 12:30:00 PM »

QUOTE (Lizard_King @ Feb 19 2003, 07:58 PM)

sounds like a hell of a story. sorry to hear that.

no big deal. i'm not as bitter as my parents are though.....
btw, anyone see the Simpson's episode about Lisa being Joan of Arc?
well, they were maing fun of french military too. Homer was like, "Hey,
we're French... we have no word for 'victory' " or something like that...
i thought i was hilarious because of reading this thread

Wong Hung Lo · « **Reply #26 on:** March 18, 2003, 01:02:00 PM »

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